Avanti Restoring Some Frequencies w/b Sep 26?

[Wilts Wanderer]

Avanti's timetable at View & download here says it is running
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Whoever formatted that timetable requires some training on how to sort and select columns by time order.

 

[peter166]

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Many cancellations today. Published timetables are complete fiction.

 

[matt]

Pretty poor show last night. The last two Wolverhampton services were cancelled. Luckily the 2031 to Crewe (instead of Preston) was delayed enough so I could catch that to Rugby.

 

[dk1]

Pretty poor show last night. The last two Wolverhampton services were cancelled. Luckily the 2031 to Crewe (instead of Preston) was delayed enough so I could catch that to Rugby.

It seems fairly common to cancel the last Wolverhampton services at the weekend.

 

[XAM2175]

The Scotland route is a sight for sore eyes today:

FYI: the idiom "a sight for sore eyes" is traditionally used to describe something you're pleased or relieved to see

 

[Huntergreed]

FYI: the idiom "a sight for sore eyes" is traditionally used to describe something you're pleased or relieved to see

Hahah - you’re quite right! My family has been using it wrong for decades, that’s very amusing

 

[takno]

Hahah - you’re quite right! My family has been using it wrong for decades, that’s very amusing

Fwiw I've always used it the way you used it, and never in 40-odd years heard anybody else using it in a way that would make me suspect it meant anything else. I guess I almost always only use or hear it on seeing a hungover friend or one who's ill, in which case it seems reasonable to say "you look a mess", or "glad you're not dead"

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Avanti want to be left off performance regime due to current problems - sounds like rewarding failure to me

https://www.cityam.com/avanti-asks-ministers-for-relief-with-train-service-performance-targets/

London to Manchester train operator Avanti has begged ministers to relieve it from performance target deadlines, after struggling with driver shortages.

The ailing operator has asked the Department for Transport to greenlight a “force majeure” declaration on its West Coast line, according to The Sunday Times.

This would mean Avanti would not have to hit targets and make it easier to dodge penalties for delayed trains.

 

[route101]

Pretty poor show last night. The last two Wolverhampton services were cancelled. Luckily the 2031 to Crewe (instead of Preston) was delayed enough so I could catch that to Rugby.

I very nearly got stranded in Crewe last weekend heading up to Glasgow. Service I had booked on was cancelled and the following two avantis, which were the last services of the day were showing as cancelled. I was lucky as I checked RTT and rushed back to Crewe station to catch a late running 10 car set up to Glasgow.

 

[Route115?]

I was at Euston today (Sunday) and was amazed at how full the LM services to Birmingham & Crewe were. The 1208 to New St (8 vehicles) was jammed packed & the 1243 to Crewe (also 8 vehs) left passengers behind. I don't know if today was a particularly bad day or if this is now the norm given that passengers can't get advance tickets on Avanti (and cannot afford walk up fares).

 

[peter166]

So much for Avanti supposedly running more services from this week.

At least 11 cancellations today plus other changes reducing services further

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[gazzaa2]

I was at Euston today (Sunday) and was amazed at how full the LM services to Birmingham & Crewe were. The 1208 to New St (8 vehicles) was jammed packed & the 1243 to Crewe (also 8 vehs) left passengers behind. I don't know if today was a particularly bad day or if this is now the norm given that passengers can't get advance tickets on Avanti (and cannot afford walk up fares).

They were rammed on Saturday morning from Crewe to Euston. They usually start filling up from Tamworth or the Trent Valleys but the seats were full from Crewe and Stafford due to people not getting the Avantis/cancellations. From Lichfield onwards it was standing room only and packed solid from Rugby (09:33 from Crewe).

 

[londonmidland]

The 13:55 from Manchester Piccadilly to London Euston is 35 minutes and counting late. Just showing up as ‘delayed’ at the station. Not sure what’s happening.

 

[Bletchleyite]

The 13:55 from Manchester Piccadilly to London Euston is 35 minutes and counting late. Just showing up as ‘delayed’ at the station. Not sure what’s happening.

Displays show "delayed" automatically if the delay is increasing by one minute every minute, i.e. the train isn't moving.

 

[CAF397]

The 13:55 from Manchester Piccadilly to London Euston is 35 minutes and counting late. Just showing up as ‘delayed’ at the station. Not sure what’s happening.

Fatality at the moment at Nuneaton.

 

[jfollows]

The 13:55 from Manchester Piccadilly to London Euston is 35 minutes and counting late. Just showing up as ‘delayed’ at the station. Not sure what’s happening.

Makes two of us.
It appears to have left 37 minutes late, got to Rugeley 61 minutes late and returned to Stafford where it seems to be in platform 1 at 16:14.
EDIT I just missed the post from CAF397 so this makes more sense now.
FURTHER EDIT AT 16:23 it's heading back to Colwich, presumably having gone to Stafford in case it needed to divert via Bescot to avoid Nuneaton.

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Thanks for that!

1R27 07:55 Piccadilly-Euston did run on Monday 26 September in the end, pretty much on time.

 

[peter166]

18:30 London Euston to Glasgow Central due 23:10 will be terminated at Penrith North Lakes.
It will no longer call at Carlisle, Lockerbie, Motherwell and Glasgow Central.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.(Avanti JourneyCheck)

The 18.30 is often terminated short at Preston but today it appears it will go as far as Penrith. Seems a bit odd ?...thought it might have at least got as far as Carlisle.

 

[CAF397]

Maybe a Preston TM has volunteered to work it, but Penrith is the last station they can go to and get a train back (train arrives 2134 and next departure is 2139 to Preston.

Train terminates 2150 at Carlisle and it would be a taxi back.

 

[peter166]

Thanks for the possible explanation. Seems that the crew member might have had second thoughts as the train is now showing as terminating at Preston ( as it more than often is )

18:30 London Euston to Glasgow Central due 23:10 will be terminated at Preston.
It will no longer call at Lancaster, Oxenholme Lake District, Penrith North Lakes, Carlisle, Lockerbie, Motherwell and Glasgow Central.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

 

[route101]

Thanks for the possible explanation. Seems that the crew member might have had second thoughts as the train is now showing as terminating at Preston ( as it more than often is )

18:30 London Euston to Glasgow Central due 23:10 will be terminated at Preston.
It will no longer call at Lancaster, Oxenholme Lake District, Penrith North Lakes, Carlisle, Lockerbie, Motherwell and Glasgow Central.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

Will there be a bus for the Carlisle/Glasgow passengers?

 

[peter166]

So much for restoring services !
28 cancellations today plus numerous other changes with trains starting/terminating short.
1803, 1900, 2007 & 2107 Euston to Liverpool all cancelled

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[furnessvale]

Makes two of us.
It appears to have left 37 minutes late, got to Rugeley 61 minutes late and returned to Stafford where it seems to be in platform 1 at 16:14.
EDIT I just missed the post from CAF397 so this makes more sense now.
FURTHER EDIT AT 16:23 it's heading back to Colwich, presumably having gone to Stafford in case it needed to divert via Bescot to avoid Nuneaton.

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1R27 07:55 Piccadilly-Euston did run on Monday 26 September in the end, pretty much on time.

Yes, I was on it as far as Lichfield, which is why it was a fairly important train for me personally!

 

[jfollows]

There are a number of additional Manchester-London via Crewe services today, as there were last Friday, some doing a return trip before ECS to Longsight. 08:55, 09:55, 11:55 today I think at least.

EDIT 13:55 & 17:55 also

 

[Watershed]

There are a number of additional Manchester-London via Crewe services today, as there were last Friday, some doing a return trip before ECS to Longsight. 08:55, 09:55, 11:55 today I think at least.

EDIT 13:55 & 17:55 also

It looks like Avanti have 'restored' Manchester-London via Crewe services by adding in unadvertised Q paths. They then show these as 'additionals' in JourneyCheck - if and when they're able to find the traincrew to run them.

It's better than not having them at all, but it's completely random which of them run on any given day and, as they're unadvertised, they won't show up on journey planners. So for all practical intents and purposes they're just crowd-busters.

 

[jfollows]

It looks like Avanti have 'restored' Manchester-London via Crewe services by adding in unadvertised Q paths. They then show these as 'additionals' in JourneyCheck - if and when they're able to find the traincrew to run them.

It's better than not having them at all, but it's completely random which of them run on any given day and, as they're unadvertised, they won't show up on journey planners. So for all practical intents and purposes they're just crowd-busters.

I have a friend visiting from London on Thursday, going back Friday so one of these will be useful, he should have an off-peak single so valid on any train.

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It looks like Avanti have 'restored' Manchester-London via Crewe services by adding in unadvertised Q paths. They then show these as 'additionals' in JourneyCheck - if and when they're able to find the traincrew to run them.

It's better than not having them at all, but it's completely random which of them run on any given day and, as they're unadvertised, they won't show up on journey planners. So for all practical intents and purposes they're just crowd-busters.

Yes, today was a bit shambolic.
08:55 and 09:55 Piccadilly-Euston via Wilmslow had stock allocated. 08:55 ran on time. My friend was going to go to London on the 09:55, but it ended up running 30+ minutes late in the end and he made the mistake of asking for a ticket on it at Wilmslow station, who effectively said "no such service as far as we know".
Anyway, I advised him to go a bit early and he got the Cardiff service to Crewe and changed for the Liverpool-Euston service there so he's OK.
I had an email from "Avanti West Coast Alerting Service" earlier informing me of the 09:55 service, so I wasn't only relying on RTT.