Availability of train toilets

[455driver]

I doubt that the volumes of waste would be significant compared to the huge numbers of existing toilets in buildings.

You would be surprised how much waste is in the toilet tanks!

Those existing building owners pay to have their sewage removed, NR would have to pay extra at all the stations if it was dumped into the normal sewers.

The platform (and the other platform face) would have to be closed while the emptying takes place so that is 2 platforms closed, then there is the time it actually takes (how many termini can have 2 platforms closed for that long regularly) etc.

Then there are all the health and safety implications of having raw sewage accessible on the platforms, once the hoses are removed there is always some waste that leaks out, plus the implications if there is a spillage necessitating the platform being closed for even longer while it is cleaned up.

Yeah its a really good idea! :roll:

 

[A-driver]

Plus it's not just about what to do with the waste as much as time. Generally suburban trains have a turn around time of under 10mins, often around 5mins in London terminals. Add to that the volume of people leaving the service when it arrives and clogging up the platform, any delays making the turn around time shorter etc and you havnt got anywhere near enough time to empty the tank, refill water etc and so the toilets would get full and be locked out of use which what happens at the moment with suburban trains with a loo.

As I said earlier in the thread, you would need to build more platforms in stations to cope with longer turnarounds and increase the number of units to stand in for those being tanked if you wanted to maintain current capacity levels, let alone an increase in services.

(I know I said I wasn't going to post any more in this topic but at last we are back on topic now)!

 

[pinguini]

Yes of course it is

Then how was it a valid comment to make?!

 

[Dave1987]

Then how was it a valid comment to make?!

Making a 3% margin is hardly anything! How can you possibly say TOCs at creaming off massive profits when they make only 3% profit???

 

[ryan125hst]

Well, I never thought that a thread about toilets would have had so many replies!

Just to clarify though, the argument wasn't about whether trains have toilets or not, it was about whether or not they are working. While it can be inconvenient to be on a train with no toilets, as has been said, they are rarely used on journeys much longer than an hour and people can plan in a toilet stop if they need to.

There is one question that I want to ask A-Driver though with regards to this issue. What would you do if you needed the toilet and were on a late night Kings Cross to Welwyn Garden City train? Let's say the 22:11 to pick one at random. The Class 313's don't have toilets, neither do many stations along the route. I seem to believe (from the times posted on National Rail's website) that even stations with toilets, such as Potter's Bar, won't be an option as they will be locked. This is where toiletless trains become more of an issue.

Anyway, back on topic. One thing that I was wondering (which I have mention in the OP) is whether or not the problem is related to specific routes, TOC's or rolling stock, or whether it is a more random occurance? Or is it a combination of all of these?

 

[A-driver]

I don't see what your question to me is? Its about 40 mins from kings x to WGC and there are toilets at kings cross so I think I could go before getting on and then hold it for 40 mins till I get to WGC which has toilets open late at night.

Plus if I was going from kings x to WGC id get the 06 or 36 semi fast departure which has a toilet on board and only takes 25mins-the furthest you are likely to go directly on the toiletless stopper is Welham green which is only 30mins from kings cross with its toilets.

Is that unreasonable of me?

 

[pinguini]

Making a 3% margin is hardly anything! How can you possibly say TOCs at creaming off massive profits when they make only 3% profit???

Err, did I?

 

[ryan125hst]

Just seen something interesting on East Midland's Trains' website while looking for information about the Nottingham blockade. I found a few new pages about first and standard class on their trains and according to this page some, of their smaller local trains don't have toilet facilities. As far as I know, all the trains that they operate do, unless I am missing something?

 

[PHILIPE]

Probably an omissiom issue while processing STP arrangements.

 

[Qwerty133]

Just seen something interesting on East Midland's Trains' website while looking for information about the Nottingham blockade. I found a few new pages about first and standard class on their trains and according to this page some, of their smaller local trains don't have toilet facilities. As far as I know, all the trains that they operate do, unless I am missing something?

hsts, 222s, 153s and 158s definately do, haven't been on a 156 for a bit but would imagine they do. Typical standard to be an EMT mistake though.

 

[ryan125hst]

Probably an omissiom issue while processing STP arrangements.

What do you mean? The page is a new page that isn't anything to do with the alterations during the Nottingham blockade, it's just a page detailing the facilities available. There is one for first class and standard class of their Intercity trains, and the one I have linked to is for their regional trains.

hsts, 222s, 153s and 158s definately do, haven't been on a 156 for a bit but would imagine they do. Typical standard to be an EMT mistake though.

Class 156's do, as do 153's. I can't understand why they are claiming that not all local trains have toilets when all of the trains in their fleet do.

 

[Sadsmileyface]

Could you elaborate please?

I'm genuinely interested in how much work it is, and from your post you at least intimate that you know.

It can be as simple as a rod down the hole, to as big as dismantling the ENTIRE thing.

People actually manage to get entire whole beer bottles down there somehow.

 

[island]

There was a tea bag, two packets of sugar, and a stirrer in the bowl on the 22000 I'm on. Thankfully they all went down.