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ATW Sept /Dec timetable now on line

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Rhydgaled

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And, as already stated, the 08 04 Fishguard Diagram is 3 Coach 175 from today.
I was aware of that, what I was trying to say that the 08:04 being taken over by the LHCS from Cardiff onwards might allow the 3-car unit that has just been put on it (to allow the 17:39 to be 3-car) to be deployed on a busier service in the morning yet still be able to work the 17:39 out of Cardiff in the evening.

I was wondering why you were so obsessed with the Fishguard being a 175 or 158. The journey time is little over 2 hours so not exactly a long haul.
The journey is a regional express service, with very few stops. In fact I think it is the only truly express service into-and-out-of S.W.Wales (I think the other services that bypass Swansea all call at some of the smaller stations between Bridgend and Cardiff). It is also a rail-sail route, meaning a fair percentage of the passengers will be making longer journeys. Yet it is worked by inner-suburban class 150 units, meant for services with frequent stops. A 156 or a pair of 153s would as far as I can tell be better than a 150 (but I expect the 90mph top speed of a 158 would be quite useful between Port Talbot and Cardiff).

In fact Maesteg to Cheltenham is of a similar timing and many of those are 150s.
Maesteg to Cardiff is basicly a ValleyLines service, with frequent stops, so I'd expect a 150 to be much more suitable there than on the Fishguard service. Cardiff to Cheltenham on the other hand is a longer distance, but the does observe more frequent stops so I'm not sure what I think is more suitable. It quite possibly could be good territory for a 158 but Maesteg - Cardiff is not.
 
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Further to the ATW media spin.



Charlie Hume of North Wales Newsboard also gives his expert opinion in yesterdays edition, which I have lifted with permission for those who may not have seen ATWs 13th September media release, here it is


"News from Arriva

We present (pasted in exactly as written) a press release issued by Arriva Trains Wales on 13 September:
125,000 extra seats for Commuters on the Arriva Trains Wales Network

Building on the third of million seats added in May, Arriva Trains Wales (ATW) have squeezed another 125,000 seats a year from their limited number of trains through further efficiency improvements.

Arriva Trains Wales is responding to continued growth in passenger numbers by increasing the number of carriages and seats available on trains as well as providing some new/extended services, targeted at trains and times of highest demand.

The following improvements are planned to begin on Mondays to Saturdays from September 17th 2012, and are over and above the funded requirements set out in ATW’s franchise;
An extra 142 daily seats into Manchester in the morning commuter period from Chester via Warrington.

New direct journeys between Manchester, Bangor and Holyhead.

An extra 148 daily seats on the busiest trains between Cardiff and Manchester

An extra 74 daily seats on the busiest evening peak train between Cardiff, Swansea and Milford Haven

Extra 160 daily seats daily for passengers commuting into Swansea on Swanline services during the morning peak period.

These new improvements have been provided in addition to the contractual requirements in Arriva Train’s Wales’ Franchise Agreement and represent a substantial investment to improve comfort for ATW passengers.

Mike Bagshaw, Commercial Director at Arriva Trains Wales commented:

“We are delighted to be able to deliver this further investment in additional capacity and new journey opportunities. Arriva Trains Wales remains committed to the enhancement of services above and beyond our franchise commitments. In excess of 125,000 extra seats a year will be provided in response to rising customer demand, reflecting a significant investment by Arriva in the future of rail services throughout Wales and the English Borders. This is in addition to the 340,000 extra seats that were introduced in May.

“We will continue to work hard to deliver the most from our limited number of trains, and will maximise the use of these resources for the benefit of our passengers.”

The implementation of the Welsh Government’s recently announced new North-South express service, will result in the Premier service having a new departure time of 1821. The exiting 1615 departure to Holyhead will be replaced by a 1621 departure to Chester, where onward connections to north Wales can be made.

The 0751 Holyhead to Cardiff services is not included in the West Governments specification for fast North South services, but as part of the package of changes initiated by Arriva Trains Wales, the service will run from Llandudno to Cardiff via Wrexham in the same timings as currently from Llandudno Junction. This will retain a second fast service between North and South Wales.

Customers are reminded that these improvements will result in some alterations to services used on a routine basis and so are advised to check the new timetable information published on the Arriva Trains Wales website (www.arrivatrainswales.co.uk/timetables) and to see the relevant posters and publications available at stations on the network. ENDS. "

Make of that what you will, readers. It's reassuring to know that even a multinational company owned by the German nation can make the odd typing blunder ... as for the figures, the website of leasing company Angel Trains quotes the seating capacity of Class 175 units as '134 seats per 2-car unit, 206 seats per 3-car unit'. Perhaps this does not include the flap seats in the vestibules?
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I will also be awaiting the Thursday special edition, which tells me to look forward to a picture special on the Wag Express both old (Crewe) & new
(Wrexham). Charles spin tells us The changes to the 'WAG Express' over the past few days demand a whole issue to themselves - look for it on Thursday. Our thanks to everyone who has sent pictures and facts about its rather ragged story.

Bob
 
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I noticed that the 0642 from Helsby to Llandudno had been reduced to a 2 car service and heard a rumour that the 0721 from Helsby to Manchester Picc was to be made of a 4car service. I assume this would be made up of 158's?
 

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there have been more changes this week the 2x2 158s that work the 0712 Chester to Man picc have both worked through to Holyhead at 0850 from Manchester so that the 1127 Holyhead to Bhm intl is strengthened.1003 Chester to LLandudno is supposed to be a 175 off depot but was formed of 150 208 yesterday.
 
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0749 Helsby to Man Picc was three car today. Luxury, as everyone was seated as it left Newton Le Willows instead of it being standing only.
 

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there have been more changes this week the 2x2 158s that work the 0712 Chester to Man picc have both worked through to Holyhead at 0850 from Manchester so that the 1127 Holyhead to Bhm intl is strengthened.1003 Chester to LLandudno is supposed to be a 175 off depot but was formed of 150 208 yesterday.

http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/C36027/2012/9/19

Didn't expect that to happen. Well this is now another error in the timetable then as the train is shown clearly as splitting at Chester :P

Adam :D
 
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