ATW/Keolis Amey Wales stock shortages

[Cardiff123]

Whilst the 170s will probably stay in the South to minimise the number of crew needed to train on them, the 170s are much better suited to West Wales - Manchester/Holyhead services than the 150s that often show up on those routes.

 

[PHILIPE]

This is great news!!! Has anyone found the schedule for the delivery run yet...?

As it's STP will probably be last minute

 

[PHILIPE]

Whilst the 170s will probably stay in the South to minimise the number of crew needed to train on them, the 170s are much better suited to West Wales - Manchester/Holyhead services than the 150s that often show up on those routes.

They can't replace the 150s because they are not supposed to be there

 

[anamyd]

As it's STP will probably be last minute

what does STP stand for...?

 

[PHILIPE]

what does STP stand for...?

Short Term Planning as compared to a LTP (Long Term Planning). Easily described as a special movement

 

[anamyd]

Short Term Planning as compared to a LTP (Long Term Planning). Easily described as a special movement

OK, thanks I wonder why the 153s delivery was different and I was able to have the schedule in good time to record "that video"...? GWR and GA doing things differently...? I think I'll just go to Cardiff as early as I can on Saturday and hope I don't miss the 2 170s being delivered.

 

[PHILIPE]

OK, thanks I wonder why the 153s delivery was different and I was able to have the schedule in good time to record "that video"...? GWR and GA doing things differently...? I think I'll just go to Cardiff as early as I can on Saturday and hope I don't miss the 2 170s being delivered.

It all depends when the movement is definite and when a path is offered up to Network Rail. If the movement is Saturday it should be in the system by close of play Friday.

 

[anamyd]

It all depends when the movement is definite and when a path is offered up to Network Rail. If the movement is Saturday it should be in the system by close of play Friday.

what does close of play mean...? thanks though, will keep checking

 

[PHILIPE]

what does close of play mean...? thanks though, will keep checking

End of day

 

[158820]

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K62155/2019/09/01/advanced

Could this be said path or is it a path to transfer an Anglia DVT for an exam. Although I rarely believe Dvts have been transferred via this route.

 

[anamyd]

End of day

kind of gathered, cheers

 

[anamyd]

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K62155/2019/09/01/advanced

Could this be said path or is it a path to transfer an Anglia DVT for an exam. Although I rarely believe Dvts have been transferred via this route.

170s are pathed as 158s at 100mph so that bit's right, though the date is showing as Sunday rather than Saturday and the service number has "FRGT" in it and is going to Canton Pullmans rather than Cardiff Canton Sidings. Good find either way!

 

[Bob Price]

Saw that on Richards Twitter and looked for the path, thanks for finding it. If I can get down Sunday pm I will share photos.

 

[Bob Price]

Notice as well the paths for testing from Long Marston to Morton in Marsh then back and fore to Evesham. Do we know if this is the TfW 230, if it is testing (are they using the reserved paths) and if anyone has any photos yet?

 

[PHILIPE]

170s are pathed as 158s so that bit's right, though the date is showing as Sunday rather than Saturday and the service number has "FRGT" in it and is going to Canton Pullmans rather than Cardiff Canton Sidings. Good find either way!

If they are going to Pullmans there will be some work to be done.

 

[krus_aragon]

If they are going to Pullmans there will be some work to be done.

Such as letting the fitters take it apart and figure out how it works?

 

[DavidGrain]

It is listed as running under its own power but I am sure no one has signed for both traction and that long route. Does anyone have any idea of how it will be crewed?

 

[PHILIPE]

It is listed as running under its own power but I am sure no one has signed for both traction and that long route. Does anyone have any idea of how it will be crewed?

Freight Company or ROG Drivers or whoever is selected by ROSCO which is the norm for such movements. They will be in between TOCs so no TOC reponsibility

 

[Mrs. Fortescue]

OK, thanks I wonder why the 153s delivery was different and I was able to have the schedule in good time to record "that video"...? GWR and GA doing things differently...? I think I'll just go to Cardiff as early as I can on Saturday and hope I don't miss the 2 170s being delivered.

You’re brave, going into Cardiff Central on the train on a rugby day. Central will be packed!

 

[PHILIPE]

You’re brave, going into Cardiff Central on the train on a rugby day. Central will be packed!

Dim ots. The movement actually turns out to be on Sunday

 

[anamyd]

I really hope I can catch it on Sunday because I'm paying a fair fare (even with my Railcard discount and split tickets) for my return journey ("long way round" Cardiff-Aberystwyth on trains) (the bus leaves before the delivery is due to come through)

 

[Chris217]

Talking to a mate of mine this morning at TfW.
He says Pacers will still be in service on the Valley lines in the new year!
And here's me planning a Pacer farewell tribute on youtube lol.

 

[anamyd]

If I can get down Sunday pm I will share photos.

Nice one

 

[Cardiff123]

Talking to a mate of mine this morning at TfW.
He says Pacers will still be in service on the Valley lines in the new year!
And here's me planning a Pacer farewell tribute on youtube lol.

Whilst that might be the gossip amongst Valleys crews, it'll be totally denied by officials at TfW until the last minute

 

[tomwills98]

Whilst that might be the gossip amongst Valleys crews, it'll be totally denied by officials at TfW until the last minute

Possibly the smaller services that would benefit from a pacer, such as Queen Street to the Bay and Coryton to Radyr that see more than a fair share of 153's, but nothing confirmed yet.

 

[DavidGrain]

I really hope I can catch it on Sunday because I'm paying a fair fare (even with my Railcard discount and split tickets) for my return journey ("long way round" Cardiff-Aberystwyth on trains) (the bus leaves before the delivery is due to come through)

Unless you particularly want to see it on Welsh soil, a trip to Birmingham might be cheaper. You could see it on the Cross City Line at Kings Norton, Northfield or Longbridge but I would suggest Barnt Green as it will be running on the fast line at the other stations and a local could get in your way looking from the platform.

 

[anthony263]

I suspect any Pacers remain g in service will be a few kept for shorter routes like the Cardiff bay line etc

 

[anamyd]

Unless you particularly want to see it on Welsh soil, a trip to Birmingham might be cheaper. You could see it on the Cross City Line at Kings Norton, Northfield or Longbridge but I would suggest Barnt Green as it will be running on the fast line at the other stations and a local could get in your way looking from the platform.

Not a bad idea, but I'll politely decline

 

[PHILIPE]

There is a 5V84 on the way back from Crewe to Canton today

 

[PHILIPE]

I suspect any Pacers remain g in service will be a few kept for shorter routes like the Cardiff bay line etc

There are not many. Cardiff Bay as you say and 3 for Radyr to Corytons. 2 of these 4 jobs will want to remain as 153s I should think.