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ATOC PRIV Restrictions May-Dec 2010

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My mother, now a widow, has Priv Travel as my dad used to work for British Rail before he retired. I think she gets about 18 free days travel a year.

What is the situation regarding upgrading to 1st Class.
For example if she was travelling on a Saturday with EMT from Nottingham to St Pancras would she be able just pay the £8 upgrade and be able to travel in 1st Class?
It's just that 1st Class AP tickets are so reasonable on Saturdays that I always travel 1st Class but whenever I am travelling with my mother i always book standard class so that we can travel together. I am sure that she would be very happy to just pay the upgrade.
 

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My mother, now a widow, has Priv Travel as my dad used to work for British Rail before he retired. I think she gets about 18 free days travel a year.

What is the situation regarding upgrading to 1st Class.
For example if she was travelling on a Saturday with EMT from Nottingham to St Pancras would she be able just pay the £8 upgrade and be able to travel in 1st Class?
It's just that 1st Class AP tickets are so reasonable on Saturdays that I always travel 1st Class but whenever I am travelling with my mother i always book standard class so that we can travel together. I am sure that she would be very happy to just pay the upgrade.


Right, unless your mother has free 1st class travel then she is not entitled to upgrade to the first class privilege fare.

For example, if your mum dated a box and travelled in 1st class from Nottingham-St Pancras, she would be excessed the difference between the privelege standard class fare and the full public first class fare:

£98.00 First Open Single (undiscounted)
£16.50 Standard Open Single (PRIV rate)

The charge your mother would have to pay is £81.50 to use first class.

HOWEVER:
Some Train Operating Companies have a product called 'weekend first' which allows anyone* to upgrade to 1st class by buying the supplement.
In this case, (East Midlands Trains), your mother would have to date a box, or purchase a standard class priv rate ticket, find a seat in first class and pay the £8 Weekend First supplement. For a return it would obviously come to £16. The answer is that nothing prevents holders of rail staff travel facilities from taking advantage of the Weekend First product.

This is valid Saturday and Sundays only.

The cost of weekend first varies by train operator and not all train companies offer this product.

*with the exception of some 'Advance' ticket types, these are not available with PRIV discount anyway so are irrelevant to your query.
 

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Thanks. That's really what I meant is she able to date a box and then pay the £8 Weekend First upgrade.
Thanks again for answering my question.
 

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sorry to ask yet another HS1 priv question but from what I've read in ATOCs restrictions, if I were to buy a yearly reduced rate season between EBB and STP, I would be eligible for gold card status and thus the using it only in the off peak restrictions would not apply.

Is this right?
 

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sorry to ask yet another HS1 priv question but from what I've read in ATOCs restrictions, if I were to buy a yearly reduced rate season between EBB and STP, I would be eligible for gold card status and thus the using it only in the off peak restrictions would not apply.

Is this right?

No, PRIV seasons cannot be issued on Gold Card stock as per the Manual and ATOC instructions.

--Edit:

The document that gave issuing advice on PRIV seasons seems to have gone missing! Will check it out soon.
 

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No, PRIV seasons cannot be issued on Gold Card stock as per the Manual and ATOC instructions.

--Edit:

The document that gave issuing advice on PRIV seasons seems to have gone missing! Will check it out soon.

maybe im getting mixed up, page 12 of the restrictions http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/RSTDocuments/NewArticles/Summer%202010%20restrictions.pdf say that staff with gold status ignore the restrictions,

Im guessing that gold status and gold card are different things
 

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maybe im getting mixed up, page 12 of the restrictions http://www.atoc.org/clientfiles/File/RSTDocuments/NewArticles/Summer%202010%20restrictions.pdf say that staff with gold status ignore the restrictions,

Im guessing that gold status and gold card are different things

The 'gold pass' is an All-Stations free travel 1st Class pass given to seniors managers/directors.

GOLD PASSES (GG and GR type)
(formerly Gold E & F type passes)

Gold passes are issued to:

(i) active and retired Executives graded EG4 (or equivalent) or above

(ii) the spouses/partners or widow(er)s of (i)

goldstaff.jpg


The ATOC restrictions usually exempt these senior managers from the restrictions.

Holders of active Gold Status Passes are reminded that although they are exempt from restrictions, they must surrender their seats in favour of fare-paying passengers – as indeed should all users of staff travel facilities at any time

A 'Gold Card' is a available to general members of the public who purchase an annual season ticket.

Annual_Gold_Card.PNG
 

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A 'Gold Card' is a available to general members of the public who purchase an annual season ticket.

More precisely, an annual season in the former NSE area is issued as a Gold Card, rather than being an optional add-on like the old ASTH railcard was. If you have a Gold Card you can also purchase a Gold Card Partner's Card for someone else cheaply, giving them the benefits as well.


 
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