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will1989

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Ok thanks for your reply. So to clarify, working left to right how many clusters are in each row? How many top to bottom?
I wouldn't worry about how many in each row personally, just work quickly but accurately. It's on an A3 sheet of paper so unless you have a printer that can do that you're not going to get a fully accurate representation anyway. I used the How2Become book and the computer program on here for practice too.
 
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Trainset33

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I wouldn't worry about how many in each row personally, just work quickly but accurately. It's on an A3 sheet of paper so unless you have a printer that can do that you're not going to get a fully accurate representation anyway. I used the How2Become book and the computer program on here for practice too.
Ok thank you. So if it’s A3 it’s likely to be more clusters per row than the 15 I’ve been doing in practice
 

will1989

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Ok thank you. So if it’s A3 it’s likely to be more clusters per row than the 15 I’ve been doing in practice
Sorry I think I've misremembered it's like A3 but sort of folded out so you have all 5 sheets visible at any one time and you just move on to a different section of the paper rather than folding/turning anything. The dots definitely seem bigger than any practice that I'd done which definitely made it easier. Just practice until you're comfortable and feel you're being pretty accurate and you'll be fine.
 

Dragon88

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Does anyone have any tips for SCAAT testing for a train manager role.
I have done the OPC practice papers and find them very difficult to complete within the 1min time frame. The practice papers suggest the real tests on the day will be different, does anyone know how so?

Any tips for a group exercise also.
 

haidox

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Does anyone know the time frame with passing the medical to job offer to course date? Does that all fall into place with your notice period? So say they are looking to fill october course for example next year, how long before that course do they request you go for a medical and is it i guess only from there your notice period kicks in
They wanted me to start on the November 2025 course but I told them no I wanted to give my current employer the full 3 months notice so they gave me the February 2026 start date. I got a verbal offer (pending medical) and a few days later I got a call from Optima Health to book my medical. Although I got told at the end of the medical that I had passed I had to chase up Northern to get an official offer and then I handed in my 3 months notice.
 

traintee

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It will be the same skills needed but not necessarily in the exact same format. Group exercise try to be involved and contribute but not be overpowering, get others involved if they are quiet. It's about how you work with others I believe. Good luck
 

vc99

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They wanted me to start on the November 2025 course but I told them no I wanted to give my current employer the full 3 months notice so they gave me the February 2026 start date. I got a verbal offer (pending medical) and a few days later I got a call from Optima Health to book my medical. Although I got told at the end of the medical that I had passed I had to chase up Northern to get an official offer and then I handed in my 3 months notice.
Thank you for your reply, you say they wanted you to start on the nov course when did they notify you of this how long before November like?
N that's great that they accepted the Feb course. Did u just outright say no to November can I have the next one available or did they give you a choice? I'm worried if I say no to a course i won't get asked again
 

kinkywinpat

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Just curious (outside assesment) if a train driver job was posted in November 2024 with salary shown. If you get the job in August 2025, is the salary not suppose to change due to the new tax year that comes with salary increase in April 2025? ... Or I may be wrong though.
 

longbigtoes

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Just curious (outside assesment) if a train driver job was posted in November 2024 with salary shown. If you get the job in August 2025, is the salary not suppose to change due to the new tax year that comes with salary increase in April 2025? ... Or I may be wrong though.
If you're joining the railway you'll soon see that pay rises don't come when you think they will! It should all be done by April, but often negotiations don't even begin until after April. I think there's a thread on here about the pay offers that were offered in the last few months with some backpay
 

haidox

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Thank you for your reply, you say they wanted you to start on the nov course when did they notify you of this how long before November like?
N that's great that they accepted the Feb course. Did u just outright say no to November can I have the next one available or did they give you a choice? I'm worried if I say no to a course i won't get asked again
I applied around June/July 2025 and then the start date was September/October of that year. I went to the first assessment day in early September and I was asked about my notice period and I told them 3 months. At the psychometric test at the end of September I was asked again about my notice and I gave the same answer. Then a few days later I got a call from the recruitment team asking if I could start in November and I told them yes I could start in November but I would prefer something later so as to give my current employer the full notice period. She said ok and that have a course starting in January or February 2026 and I said either is fine. A few days later I got a verbal offer for 2nd February start date.
I would say to just ask them of alternative start dates if the one they offer doesn't suit you. If they say there is no other dates then you have your answer. I think it shows loyalty to your current employer to give full notice and I'm sure Northern appreciate that.

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Just curious (outside assesment) if a train driver job was posted in November 2024 with salary shown. If you get the job in August 2025, is the salary not suppose to change due to the new tax year that comes with salary increase in April 2025? ... Or I may be wrong though.
When I applied for the role in June/July 2025 the job listing said £26k for first year training salary. When I got confirmed for February 2026 start date my contract which I got sent to me at the end of October said £26.9k for first year training salary.
 
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Dragon88

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Probably already been asked before, but does anyone know the pass mark in the SCAAT test? Are they expecting you to complete all 10 rows accurately or are they looking for consistency and less rows completed?
 

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Does anyone know if the MMI is graded like the other psychometric tests? IE national level / enhanced? Or is the MMI a simple pass / fail?
 

erer245

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Ok thank you. So if it’s A3 it’s likely to be more clusters per row than the 15 I’ve been doing in practice
Haven't read the whole thread but if you search group bourdon test you can find a free sight no ads for plenty of practice. Passed first time using this.
 

Trainset33

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Can anyone recommend materials for Trp1 please? Possibly a book from somewhere like Amazon on adult comprehension tests? I want to work out if I’ll perform better if I make notes and then spend the rest of the time after the audio is finished by rereading my own notes or reading the passage again until time is up.

Any tips on technique please?
 

Craig PO45

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My own view is to read the passage as opposed to writing down - writing takes valuable time.
Note key words / colours / directions / instructions / positions..
 

Craig PO45

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If I remember correctly you could make notes on scrap paper..
I read it over twice then tried to recall what I thought would be key elements.
Colours, positions and the likes.
 

RiverDon

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Maybe obvious but just be aware they'll take the paper with any notes you've written away before you start answering the questions.
 

tinkerbell

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Got a rejection for my senior conductor application after doing the TCT, RAAT and SCAAT, they didn’t say which one I failed on. It says I can’t apply for another 6 months. Would I be able to apply for same role but different company?
 

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Can anyone recommend materials for Trp1 please? Possibly a book from somewhere like Amazon on adult comprehension tests? I want to work out if I’ll perform better if I make notes and then spend the rest of the time after the audio is finished by rereading my own notes or reading the passage again until time is up.

Any tips on technique please?
I had the exact same concerns as you, I tried 3 different techniques on my practice material.

1. close my eyes and listen to the text being read and visualise what was being described.
2. listen to the text and read it at the same time.
3. listen and take notes.

For me trying to listen and take notes was by far the worst technique, I found it massively distracting. listening to the text being read and reading it at the same time was ok but by far the best for me was to close eyes, listen and visualise.

Mine was on testing train brakes using the different colour lights and dials in the drivers cab. The text was extremely descriptive and super easy to visualise, so in the test I closed my eyes and pictured myself in the cab looking at what was being described. In the time after (I think 3 or 5mins you get), rather than making notes, I drew a picture of the dials/buttons and the lights, marking on each, things like RED, GREEN, YELLOW and on dials crucial psi pressures.
I worked like a charm. After the test I noticed the test administrator watching me closely, he asked me why I had chosen to draw a picture rather than write notes, I said because it was easier to visualise. He later went on to say that this is a technique that the trainers advise you to do in the training of becoming a driver!

What works for one doesn't necessarily work for someone else, however, it is proven that the best way to commit stuff to your memory is to include as many of the senses as possible. So if you can see it as well as hear it, that's 2 senses as opposed to just 1 listening/hearing.

I also had a sneaky suspicion it would be on train brakes from info I had read on here and speaking to others who had recently undergone the tests. So I watched every YouTube video possible on train brake testing procedures.

Good luck and STAY CALM
 

elle1630

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I have a friend who going through the application now how tried to commit suicide a few years ago. I was just wondering if a suicide attempt would stop you from being a train driver. What happens if it's during your career as well?
 

Ken X

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In my wife's case it was a very involved discussion between her, her employer and the medics.

The result, for her, was a change in job from a manager to a minor role and part time working.

I suspect it is very much on an individual basis as every case is different.

Complicated thing the brain.
 

centrals19

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Hey guys. I can’t find a forum for GTS Elizabeth Line CSA so thought I’d post here. Just got an email to say I need to complete an online assessment.. Can anyone tell me what kind of assessment this is as I would like to prepare for it. Thanks!
 

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