As soon as class 43s leave the railway scene

[43021HST]

When class 43s are replaced by the javelin train or what ever I will no longer go trainspotting. The class 43s are the reason why I go photing at Reading. I am not interested in modern traction. I bet in 1968 with the end of steam many enthusiasts said the same thing.

 

[mumrar]

When class 43s are replaced by the javelin train or what ever I will no longer go trainspotting. The class 43s are the reason why I go photing at Reading. I am not interested in modern traction. I bet in 1968 with the end of steam many enthusiasts said the same thing.

I bet they did. But I bet they've all been to museums and preserved lines since, chased steam charters when they used to go slower and purchased many a DVD. What is common rubbish today, is history in two decades or sooner.
Sadly, when a lot of experienced photographers took this attitude back then, we were robbed of photos from the heyday of the green diesel era. If I was alive then I'd feel the same, but I'd also come back to it, it's in my make-up and persona. It's what makes me.......Me

 

[MCR247]

When class 43s are replaced by the javelin train or what ever I will no longer go trainspotting. The class 43s are the reason why I go photing at Reading. I am not interested in modern traction. I bet in 1968 with the end of steam many enthusiasts said the same thing.

Okk... Good for you?

 

[90019]

When class 43s are replaced by the javelin train or what ever I will no longer go trainspotting. The class 43s are the reason why I go photing at Reading. I am not interested in modern traction. I bet in 1968 with the end of steam many enthusiasts said the same thing.

Um, great.

 

[Demps]

MTU's are modern traction.

 

[SouthEastern-465]

I wouldnt stop photing etc just becuase a certain train wont be there anymore thats stupid.

When the 'Slammers were withdrawn I was upset but you get have to get use to it thats the way of the railway it changes everyday.

When the Class 465s are withdrawn in 15-to-20 years time I will be upset but that wont stop me photting,they'll always be my favorite train but you have to get on with it because It will happen time over time again on several other trains you like,but this wouldnt stop you being a railfan you'll get over it and hate the IEPs and always love HST's.

 

[43034 The Black Horse]

MTU's are modern traction.

No, they're modern engines.

By the way, if you want to keep HSTs on the mainline......

 

[43021HST]

Um, great.

My point is, does anyone feel the same way when they class 43s leave the rails? It certainly would ben end of an era.

 

[asylumxl]

My point is, does anyone feel the same way when they class 43s leave the rails? It certainly would ben end of an era.

They're past their lifetime. They'll be replaced with more efficient, faster trains. It's progress.

 

[monkey]

...have to say I will be sad to see them go, but yeah like asylumxl says, its progress. I guess what is frustrating is the replacements often aren't upto scratch...

 

[43021HST]

A lot of enthusiasts (like me) refuse to accept progress because the effects of it such as beechings closures he must have called that progress or Maggie Thatchers 'progress'. Progress has become dirty word to rail enthusiasts.

 

[MCR247]

Not all, I'm looking forward to progress

 

[monkey]

^^me too. with caution.

 

[43021HST]

My version of progress is small time stuff like improving timetables; improving station facilities and reopening Branchlines or reorganising the tracks at major stations.

 

[monkey]

^^things can't go on forever though. they wear down, and become less reliable, and expensive to fix. seeing that already on the east coast, amount of broken down train text alerts I recieve. the 43's are robust pieces of engineering, but even they can't go on forever...

 

[Royston Vasey]

A lot of enthusiasts (like me) refuse to accept progress because the effects of it such as beechings closures he must have called that progress or Maggie Thatchers 'progress'. Progress has become dirty word to rail enthusiasts.

You're very cynical for someone so young!

People will always be fond of what they grew up watching because it's familiar to their youth. It's the same for TV, music, etc. But it's a fact of life, one needs to accept that and move on.

And don't worry, though I may miss the music I grew up with, doesn't mean I don't enjoy the music released today. It's not the same, but that really doesn't matter.

 

[37401]

well firstly ok thats nice. but there will always be 37`s 47`s ect on tours and secondly when the 43 does go out chances are you would have found something else to fot
they are not going out for a while yet 5-6 years min

 

[SouthEastern-465]

Nothing lasts forever

 

[33056]

There are plenty of things that I have enjoyed doing that can no longer be experienced on a regular basis, if at all - just find other things to chase after, there is much more to railway enthusiasm than one class of loco / unit.

 

[SouthEastern-465]

Sorry about this forgot to say...

Nothing lasts forever make the most of them while you can.

 

[Oswyntail]

Back when trains WERE trains (and you could still get change for a threepenny bit), Duchesses were replaced by soulless heaps of junk called English Electric Type 4s. Ugly, smelly and not a patch on what they replaced. Today, some even claim to love them, as Class 40s. They, in turn, were replaced on the prime runs (the Duchesses' stamping ground) with Brush Type 4s, which looked well-styled and modern, and, if lucky, stuck in the memory for being frequently seen in a bright pink livery (that's another story). Moved away from Duchess territory, but the Brush 4s were still around. Not much changed (we'll pass over the aberration that was the other EE Type 4s, the Class 50). The HSTs, though they took over the Brush passenger work still left them enough to do, and were an entirely different concept anyway, so I could grow to like them. Preferred them to the EE Type 5s, which were East Coast wrecks, flash monkey types. Don't really get on with the 91s, though.
Apart from revealing that I don't really like English Electric locomotives*, what i am trying to say is that you form an irrational attachment to one type, hate its replacement, love its replacement, and so on. And enthusiasm will continue as types come and go
* I do have a soft spot for the Type 3s, but the Type 1s always were inferior to the Brush 2s

 

[37401]

My version of progress is small time stuff like improving timetables; improving station facilities and reopening Branchlines or reorganising the tracks at major stations.

yes but railways are built for passengers not us lot, so a new train means a faster journey for the passengers

also chances are 43 wont go forever, XC may become a full HST TOC so you could see them at reading!

things come and go, many thinks i saw and loved last year are gone now, I loved getting 90`s on the BHM-EUS but thats gone now and im chasing down whatever now

 

[43021HST]

I have found that I have stopped taking photos at Reading because I have got bored of the place but I,m not allowed by my parents to travel any where to far. I prefer preserved railways.

 

[37401]

I have found that I have stopped taking photos at Reading because I have got bored of the place but I,m not allowed by my parents to travel any where to far. I prefer preserved railways.

by the time the 43 is out you will be able to move/go somewhere else

or do what i used to do, Say your in one place and be in another, i used to say I was in Brum but i visited York,Doncaster,London 3 times,crewe,Liverpool,coventry then i gave up after a snowy day in october landed me in it, London was nice the midlands was snowing!! and i have to bluff it to my mom

 

[43021HST]

Now those are some major lies. I dont have the heart to lie to my mum like that

 

[Fincra5]

Think that when the class 43 does go out, you can go see the preserved one. That makes it more of a joy/ experience to see them, rather than in everyday life.

 

[starrymarkb]

Maggie's progress bought us Sectorisation and the ECML electrification It was her successor who went for privatisation (She thought it was a step too far)

Beeching too had ambitious plans (trim the branches - then invest in what's left) unfortunatly his political masters decided to trim without the investment. He did do good though, he saw Intermodal possiblities and gave us Freightliner

 

[Demps]

No, they're modern engines.

By the way, if you want to keep HSTs on the mainline......

Which are boring. When all of the Vals are gone, i will have no interest in HST's.

 

[37401]

Which are boring. When all of the Vals are gone, i will have no interest in HST's.

go on the MML, EMT use Paxman 12VP185`s very much like a Paxman Y3J (Valenta)

 

[starrymarkb]

The Valenta's were knackered though - there is only so much you can refurbish an engine that gets so much abuse... All in stock had had repairs to legs out of bed. FGW said it was a new experience to do an oil change on an MTU, Valentas just burnt it...

If you love Valentas join the Navy - IIRC the Invincible carriers have 12 each for generating. But as they run at a constant RPM/Torque they will last longer.