That makes sense to why they haven't been in service for a while, they'll probably be replacing the 57 plate solo's then + 2493 hasn't been in service since 11th March and has been in the back of the depot for ages. Considering only 2 are moving does this mean Arriva are expecting to lose one of the route groups of 23/26 or 2/12 to another operator in the area
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Heavyweight but much more fuel efficient than the E200.
Depends on what route they’re being used on, for town services a heavyweight vehicle and a larger engine would mean more fuel is used up, so in Tamworth’s case I’d imagine the MMC’s would be better suited for the majority of their routes. From what I have read the Evora is more fuel efficient on high speed long distance runs.
Was the belt still squeaking too lol? All these versas are past their prime hopefully new busses arrive some time soon. some of the busses that the versas replaced were better than the versas are. TBH even the max citaros ran better.
That would explain why Arriva reportedly want the Citaros gone then.
Oh do they? I wasnt aware of this.
Yes, a member of staff at Telford (a driver I think) put on Facebook saying it had its ticket machine and licences removed but wasn’t sure what was happening to it
3920 has been repaired and put back on the road! Only the rear has been resprayed (in a fashion) and the back window has been fully removed instead of replaced which is perfect for the summer for some open air flow! Hopefully it will see another 3 - 5 years service.
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3920 has been repaired and put back on the road! Only the rear has been resprayed (in a fashion) and the back window has been fully removed instead of replaced which is perfect for the summer for some open air flow! Hopefully it will see another 3 - 5 years service.
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derbybusdepot
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You'd be a fool to believe that
....In true Arriva style, the back window will be plated over with a sheet of aluminium chequer plate.
Service Revisions in Derby from 11 April.
"We're making Improvements to some Derby services to help buses to run on time and better match how our customers use them"
In other words; service reductions. Service 8 Derby - Mackworth will be reduced from 6 buses per hour to 5, Mondays to Fridays.
Looks like Services 1A, 1B & 1C to Alvaston will also have some reductions.
What a patronising and convoluted way of announcing 'More Cutbacks' !
"We're making Improvements to some Derby services to help buses to run on time and better match how our customers use them"
In other words; service reductions. Service 8 Derby - Mackworth will be reduced from 6 buses per hour to 5, Mondays to Fridays.
Looks like Services 1A, 1B & 1C to Alvaston will also have some reductions.
What a patronising and convoluted way of announcing 'More Cutbacks' !
derbybusdepot
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Didn't realise the 8 was being reduced in frequency. Are they using the same number of buses and increasing running time/layover to improve reliability.
The 1b is being diverted to take in the peak time only wyvern route (at peak times). The part it misses in Alvaston still has several 1a/c services. It may have been a better call to have extended the wyvern route to Spondon at peak times to guage demand.
At least the cutbacks are not as big as the previous ones!
38 is also cut back from every 10 mins to every 12. Last time that happened, it initially ran with 8 buses at peak times and 7 off peak, but it was so unreliable, it was eventually switched back to 8 buses all day, with an increased headway. It will be interesting to see which option they try this time....
Trainman40083
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Re Derby. I would think that the price of fuel might impact the cost of running bus services, which may see cuts OR the use of the most fuel efficient buses on certain routes.
Just looked at WVN vs the 1B divert....
WVN currently has 5 AM trips and 7 PM trips, between 15.20 and 18.20.
1B will provide 4 AM trips and just THREE afternoon trips, covering 16.58 and 17.48.
That's hardly a "service improvement" as Arriva are calling it!
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To be fair I think you’ll find most bus operators just ‘dress up’ hidden cuts and will just spin the positives when it comes to service changes. It’s common practice. They’re hardly going to say we’re cutting X, Y and Z to save a few quid. Yes, there may be some changes to address reliability, but there will be cost savings somewhere. It’s not just Arriva who are guilty of that - Lothian did similar with their recent change also.
SSmith2009
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Same with the Leicester cutbacks disguised as improvements.
Take the changes to service 87 - a near hourly timetable is introduced and extended into South Wigston and Countesthorpe (to partly replace the 85 although) starting later in the mornings although the addition of Fosse Park to the route is bizzare and will screw it up at peak times.
Some of the facebook post/comments about the 44/44A/47/48/49 changes are negative mostly about extended travel times and the removal of the 47/48 from Little Hill estate.
I wonder if all these changes will reduce PVR and costs? Doubt it.
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The wyvern service is an oddity. Currently WYN has 5 outbound trips every 30 minutes between 7.05 and 9.05, and 7 inbound trips between 15.20 and 18.20 Monday to Friday.
1B will have outbound trips at 7.30, 7.50, 8.10 and 8.35 and inbound trips at 16.58, 17.23 and 17.48.
I guess the starkest thing is the evening service starting over an hour and a half later, on an already very limited service, but I would guess that reflects demand.
It is a relatively small business park next to a retail park. Other services have been ran and failed it previous years which implies there is limited demand.
I guess the logic behind diverted a few 1b services at times against, the peak flow of customers makes some sense, but it does just meet a current demand rather than trying to expand the market. Peak time 20x as an alternative however would meet the current demand and offer faster links from Spondon to Derby and new links to Wyvern, Pride Park and Derby Railway Station from Spondon.
The need to change buses to reach your final destination deters people from using public transport and increases use of taxis.
Trainman40083
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Is it a relatively small business park though? The recent Derby BSIP document suggests that 5% of people in Derby use public transport to get to work. I can see that given where many of the employers are. Funny though, when you think of positive spin, I remember a time when they highlighted there were three buses an hour, between the railway station and the City Centre. Yes, at 55, 00 and 05. Catch any one, I would miss my next bus, and have a long wait. Hence people go by car.
How many more is there now?
2981 is still at Shrewsbury and depends if 2960 moves as well
chungusgoat1
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2960 will be going to tamworth soon but has been at telford for the last 2 weeks or so, swapping with a pulsar whenever they decide to swap them
joieman
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4426 has been marked as withdrawn on Bustimes. As the oldest bus in Arriva's fleet in Leicestershire, and having not tracked on Bustimes since early January, I fairly saw its demise coming.