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Are the British too Gullible?

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TrainBrain185

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Britain. The Government put another year onto the age of Retirement from 65 to 66. What do we do about it? Nothing but just quietly moan and accept it.
France. Want to put the Retirement age up from 60 to 62. What do they do about it? Get together and rally against the increase.
France bans the Burka. Britain? Blow the chance stating "its not the British way" and allow it. Who said?
Britains Transport? Obscene Fare charges. France? A lot cheaper all round.
Britain's Road Fuel? One of or maybe the highest prices in Europe.
Yesterday, the United Kingdom was claimed to be the worst place in Europe? Hey-Ho, well, as usual, we can just moan about it and be miserable.
 
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Britain. The Government put another year onto the age of Retirement from 65 to 66. What do we do about it? Nothing but just quietly moan and accept it.
France. Want to put the Retirement age up from 60 to 62. What do they do about it? Get together and rally against the increase.
France bans the Burka. Britain? Blow the chance stating "its not the British way" and allow it. Who said?
Britains Transport? Obscene Fare charges. France? A lot cheaper all round.
Britain's Road Fuel? One of or maybe the highest prices in Europe.
Yesterday, the United Kingdom was claimed to be the worst place in Europe? Hey-Ho, well, as usual, we can just moan about it and be miserable.


Wrong example as SNFC are a **** TOC. They really are obscene. In fact, the whole of France is rancid in general. Now if you said SBB instead, then granted that's better. France Transport may be cheap but it really is crap.
 

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If you don't like it, you can do something about it. Have you protested about the raising of the retirement age? And about the amount of fuel duty? Maybe by writing to your MP?

Or you could always move...
 

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Britain. The Government put another year onto the age of Retirement from 65 to 66. What do we do about it? Nothing but just quietly moan and accept it.
France. Want to put the Retirement age up from 60 to 62. What do they do about it? Get together and rally against the increase.
France bans the Burka. Britain? Blow the chance stating "its not the British way" and allow it. Who said?
Britains Transport? Obscene Fare charges. France? A lot cheaper all round.
Britain's Road Fuel? One of or maybe the highest prices in Europe.
Yesterday, the United Kingdom was claimed to be the worst place in Europe? Hey-Ho, well, as usual, we can just moan about it and be miserable.

I'm not falling for any of that whatsoever. :lol:
 

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I'm not sure the OP is using the correct word in gullible. That means people who are easily tricked or fooled. You are talking about us being a lazy and downtrodden nation who won't stand up to those in charge.
 

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The whole 'it's not the British way' thing about the burka is basically politician-talk for "we haven't got the balls to do it".

I wouldn't say we're gullible as a nation, just a bit of a pushover.
 

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I wonder where the OP got this gem, as it sounds like a quote taken from some piece of political rhetoric or other rather than an original piece. It doesn't help that it is factually incorrect in some regards while obfuscating on the real situation in others.

Britain has effectively removed the statutory retirement age meaning that people can work for as long or as short as they feel they want to or are required to by their financial situation. All that has changed is the age at which people can start to draw the State Pension. If you can afford to retire early then you will still be able to do so, but then equally an employer will not be able to compel their workers to retire at a certain age under age discrimination legislation. This strikes me as a wonderfully enlightened way of dealing with the situation.

French public transport is a joke. While the high-speed rail network is exemplary, the conventional rail network is woeful. The only thing they have right is the notion that a rail network can be successful and drive the economy in spite of the losses it makes, and therefore it is subsidised to the hilt from the public purse. The French may not be paying for rail at the ticket office, but that's because they are paying for it out of their taxes to a much greater extent than the British. It is the same story with fuel. A Brit travelling around France may wonder at the apparent bargains to be had, but this hides the true cost. The only way to make a proper comparison on price is to look at it from the perspective of each country's citizens resident in that territory, their earnings and their tax burdens.

While the French Parliament may have voted to impose a ban on the Burka this is still open to legal challenge for being unconstitutional, and in any case the French Police are unlikely to enforce the ban. But the reasons for the French imposing these laws are clouded and certainly nothing to do with it "not being the French way". In public the French Government say it's being done to give French Muslim women greater freedom (even though it will criminalise those women who choose to wear the Burka rather than being compelled to wear it) while those looking for a sub-text suggest that it is a way of pandering to the far right. Either way, in a country that has Europe's largest Muslim population and in which estimates of women wearing the Burka range from a few hundred to two thousand, this has nothing to do with ensuring French values.

Damn those facts.

O L Leigh
 

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So that's why you all move here in drovers :lol:. Well, its a pretty similar story here too, the crappy Government makes lame changes and people kinda just moan about it and then get on with it, which kinda sucks, where are the sorts that blow up a government building or something, that would certainly get there attention lol.
 

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OLL in the post above has it. The post that opened this thread is incorrect in some instances, and overlooks the fact that you can't 'cherry pick' taxes. This is the point the selfish 'fuel lobby' don't get - yes, the UK government could make fuel cheaper, but that would mean money has to be taken elsewhere to make up the shortfall - higher income tax, or VAT, or VAT on food and books, perhaps?

You get nowt for nowt.
 

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The whole 'it's not the British way' thing about the burka is basically politician-talk for "we haven't got the balls to do it".

I wouldn't say we're gullible as a nation, just a bit of a pushover.
Yeah, spot on, I go with that.
I just used our French neighbours as an example by the way. Not in a literal sense but the varied opinions are welcome.
 

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It really is not worth banning the burka. So few people actually wear one that it's just not justifiable. There's much more a case for banning hoodies - not that I agree with that either.
It is pandering to the far right and the scaremongering media and nothing less.
 

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Retirement age is too low. It needs to be raised even more.

Disagree. What needs to happen and has happened is that the age at which the state pension can be claimed has been increased and the compulsory retirement age has been removed. Therefore people who wish to retire early can make their own arrangements and should they wish to work longer there is nothing stopping them. Which is what we are doing thankfully.
 
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We need to increase the age at which a state pension can be claimed and remove a compulsory retirement age. Therefore people who wish to retire early can make their own arrangements and should they wish to work longer there is nothing stopping them.

Keep up at the back. That's PRECISELY what has happened.

Or did you miss my earlier post...?

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Keep up at the back. That's PRECISELY what has happened.

I know that, I was telling imagination that what he was suggesting is not enough and instead what needs to happen (and is happening). I'm going back to edit my post to better reflect that.
 

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"Apathetic" might be a better word to use, if it comes to taking things away from us. If we stop caring, eventually there might come a time when we find ourselves in serious trouble.

"Then they came for me, and there was no-one left to speak up for me."
 

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It really is not worth banning the burka. So few people actually wear one that it's just not justifiable. There's much more a case for banning hoodies - not that I agree with that either.
It is pandering to the far right and the scaremongering media and nothing less.

If i go to a bank, or some patrol stations, then i am required to remove my crash helmet so the CCTV can get a good look at my ugly mug.
Does the same apply to hoodies, those who wear burkha's, shawal kameze's etc?
If not, then why not?
 

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If i go to a bank, or some patrol stations, then i am required to remove my crash helmet so the CCTV can get a good look at my ugly mug.
Does the same apply to hoodies, those who wear burkha's, shawal kameze's etc?
If not, then why not?

Of course it does. Doesn't mean they need to be banned. I don't like them at all - I find it very rude if I can't look at someone's face or into their eyes (in the case of sunglasses), but I can't see the point of going to all that effort. They should be made to take them off in public buildings, but on the street, I don't really care.
 

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Where's that from? I vividly remember hearing it but can't remember where or when!

They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

By Martin Niemöller sometime after the Second World War.

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