Are Pendolinos full electric

[Joshrowlands]

Hi guys I've had a massive interest in trains in the last year and each day it's growning more and more and I'm learning more and more however there is some questions Google just can't give a straight answer to and I don't have any friends that are interested in trains in fact every single person I know knows nothing about Trains or the rail network.

However one of my favourite trains for many reasons Is the Pendolino class 390 (Virgin trains) but I was just wondering are they fully electric or do they use fuel as well? If anyone could answer my question that would be great also any additional information/details would be amazing

Cheers guys

 

[14xxDave]

Yup, full electric as the panto alludes to. Wiki gives a pretty good description.

Welcome to the forums.

D.

 

[Domh245]

Pendolinos are fully electric. They collect electricity from the overhead lines at 25000V, and with the use of transformers, rectifiers, and inverters, turn the motors, which drives the wheels themselves - this type of train is an Electric Multiple Unit (EMU)

Voyagers on the other hand are a bit of a hybrid system. They have diesel engines which drive generators, and then have a similar system to that on EMUs, using the electricity generated from the generator to drive electric motors - this is a Diesel Electric Multiple Unit (DEMU)

Sprinters use their diesel engine to drive hydraulic gearing, a bit like a car - simply Diesel Multiple Units (DMU)

Some of the new IEPs will be bi-modal (or electro-diesel multiple units - EDMU). They can use the overhead lines where they exist to drive electric motors, but can switch to voyager-like operation with diesel generators where the overhead lines stop.

 

[yorkie]

Yes, Pendolinos are electric multiple units and do not have diesel engines.

.... however there is some questions Google just can't give a straight answer to ...

A search engine won't answer questions but will give you results to look through. Here's a couple that you may find useful:

• Pendolino Brochure
• Class 390 EC4T Technical File

 

[GrimsbyPacer]

Here's something to note Joshrowlands:

Classes
1-98 are all varying types of locomotives.
100-299 are all Diesel Multiple Units.
300-499 are all Electric Multiple Units.

 

[Kite159]

Here's something to note Joshrowlands:

Classes
1-98 are all varying types of locomotives.
100-299 are all Diesel Multiple Units.
300-499 are all Electric Multiple Units.

I think Merseyrail users might have something to say with the forgetting of their wonderful 507s & 508s?

 

[yorkie]

Also, (in general?), DMUs numbered 2xx have diesel engines generating electricity for electric traction motors thus making them Diesel Electric Multiple Units (DEMUs).

 

[Elecman]

Sprinters are not diesel mechanical but diesel hydraulic transmission

 

[satisnek]

1-98 are all varying types of locomotives.

And of course in the original TOPS concept it was divided into:

Class 01-69 Diesel
Class 70-79 DC Electric
Class 80-99 AC Electric

:roll:

EDIT:

Or was Class 90-99 originally reserved for departmental/steam etc.?

 

[Domh245]

And the Diesel classes separated by type (power) from type 1 through to type 5. But post privitation locos have disregarded this to some extent

 

[GrimsbyPacer]

Okay, sorry Merseyrail users.
Here's the classification system for all Multiple Units.

100-199, Diesel mechanic/hydraulic MU sets.
200-299, Diesel Electric MU sets.
300-399 & 700-799, ac and ac/dc EMU sets.
400-599, dc EMU sets.
600-699, any Diesel MU sets.
800-899, High Speed MU sets or fixed formation sets.
900-999, Non-passenger & Fixed form & Infrastructure & Metro.


For locomotives:
0-9, shunters.
10-72 & 74-79, Diesel locos.
73, existing electro-diesel locos.
80-88 & 90-96, Electric locos.
89, heritage diesel locos.
97, departmental locos.
98, Steam locos.
99, trains that float.

They are ofcourse non-classified trains:
APT-E
Deltic
RB004
LEV1
And a London Transport loco
Also many unclassified trains are numbered as a 79.

 

[Boothby97]

89, heritage diesel locos.

Of course, there is 89001, which is a (prototype) 25kV AC electric locomotive https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/sboothby/9285793930/

 

[Kite159]

And don't forget those 994s which run around in Newcastle

 

[GrimsbyPacer]

And don't forget those 994s which run around in Newcastle

Damn it!!
Has anyone got the real classification system? I spent ages on the above list.

 

[swt_passenger]

Damn it!!
Has anyone got the real classification system? I spent ages on the above list.

Your original 900-999 was fine, and complies with the current group standard for rolling stock identification here, although the current definition is slightly wider:

"Infrastructure maintenance / non-passenger multiple unit / fixed formation sets"

Table A5 in this RGS:

http://www.rgsonline.co.uk/Railway_...ck/Railway Group Standards/GMRT2453 Iss 2.pdf

A class such as 994 for Tyne Wear Metro doesn't conflict with that - as it doesn't fit with any of 100 - 899 for 'normal' network rail designed stock that [994] is probably still OK.