Are LNR services authorised to skip Nuneaton if delayed?

[sn5775]

Hi,

I've just read a tweet by one of our esteemed local politicians that London Northwestern Railway services are authorised to not call at Nuneaton to make up lost time if the service is running late. Is this correct? Is anyone able to provide further information?

@LNRailway new policy of skipping Nuneaton when they are late (Keith Kondakor @greennuneaton).

https://x.com/greennuneaton/status/1969810775494533630?t=m7FRrHyUoD5fTK7kfXEbKg&s=19

Thank you in advance.

 

[jfollows]

Surely any train can and does skip stations when running late, it doesn’t have to be “authorised”, it’s done as a matter of course by people in control of the services. Nothing special about Nuneaton.

How often it happens in practice is a different question, of course.

EDIT The link you have posted goes to something about Leicester-Nuneaton-Coventry future service plans, nothing to do with your first statement.

 

[Tilting007]

Hi,

I've just read a tweet by one of our esteemed local politicians that London Northwestern Railway services are authorised to not call at Nuneaton to make up lost time if the service is running late. Is this correct? Is anyone able to provide further information?

https://x.com/greennuneaton/status/1969810775494533630?t=m7FRrHyUoD5fTK7kfXEbKg&s=19

Thank you in advance.

It’s regular for LNR to run express between Rugby and Stafford / Crewe if late.

 

[Horizon22]

They are certainly "authorised", nor would I suggest it is "new".

 

[DaveTM]

(At least at my TOC, but probably at all TOCs) it is not within a driver's power to choose to skip a station. However, a driver may be issued with a not-to-stop order on the authority of Control either directly by radio or by paper via station staff.
In times of disruption, certain stations are more at risk than other according to whether the station is a junction station (keeping connections), a busy station, or a quiet station. Such operational reasons may mean that Nuneaton bears the brunt of not-to-stops, but you can be certain that a mere politician will either not understand the reasoning or will ignore the reasoning for their own political ends.

 

[FenMan]

So, what is the scale of the problem for passengers joining or leaving the service at Nuneaton?

An occasional cancellation? Which would be annoying for those affacted, but bearable.

Or do cancellation of the calls at Nuneaton make the service so unreliable as to be unusable?

 

[Tilting007]

So, what is the scale of the problem for passengers joining or leaving the service at Nuneaton?

An occasional cancellation? Which would be annoying for those affacted, but bearable.

Or do cancellation of the calls at Nuneaton make the service so unreliable as to be unusable?

Usually happens during disruption.
It is not a major problem with calls removed for no reason.

 

[richardderby]

the Trent valley services quite often run from Crewe to Rugby missing out stops including Tamworth if service is disrupted. as it is an hourly service, this causes considerable problems for people, and saves only a few minutes, perhaps better to omit Rugby/ Milton Keynes which have alternative more frequent services..

 

[A S Leib]

the Trent valley services quite often run from Crewe to Rugby missing out stops including Tamworth if service is disrupted. as it is an hourly service, this causes considerable problems for people, and saves only a few minutes, perhaps better to omit Rugby/ Milton Keynes which have alternative more frequent services..

I'm not sure how feasible it is with platform capacity and where staff are, but wouldn't the least disruptive option be cutting it short at Stafford northbound or Milton Keynes southbound? That way, Milton Keynes and Rugby keep their Trent Valley services whilst Stafford – Crewe / Milton Keynes – Euston have an extra 3tph+ available.

 

[richardderby]

I'm not sure how feasible it is with platform capacity and where staff are, but wouldn't the least disruptive option be cutting it short at Stafford northbound or Milton Keynes southbound? That way, Milton Keynes and Rugby keep their Trent Valley services whilst Stafford – Crewe / Milton Keynes – Euston have an extra 3tph+ available.

problem is at Milton Keynes the Trent Valley service is the only non stop to Euston (Avanti aside), so would add considerably to journey times.
the Stafford option is sometimes one that is used though..

 

[james_the_xv]

the Trent valley services quite often run from Crewe to Rugby missing out stops including Tamworth if service is disrupted. as it is an hourly service, this causes considerable problems for people, and saves only a few minutes, perhaps better to omit Rugby/ Milton Keynes which have alternative more frequent services..

Rugby is a crew change for those services.
Surely the bigger issue is the 1tph, if it was a half hourly service it wouldn't be so bad. I wonder if a Crewe - Northampton that fills in the other half of the clock face between Rugby - Crewe has been considered?

I'm not sure how feasible it is with platform capacity and where staff are, but wouldn't the least disruptive option be cutting it short at Stafford northbound or Milton Keynes southbound? That way, Milton Keynes and Rugby keep their Trent Valley services whilst Stafford – Crewe / Milton Keynes – Euston have an extra 3tph+ available.

It's not uncommon for them to be span at MK in disruption, especially if there is disruption south of MK.

 

[1D54]

Got on an LNR service on 28/6 at Nuneaton, it was 30 down and missed numerous stations, of which i now can't remember but the TM was telling people to go to Crewe and get the next one back which was very probably the very one they were currently sitting on!

 

[The Planner]

the Trent valley services quite often run from Crewe to Rugby missing out stops including Tamworth if service is disrupted. as it is an hourly service, this causes considerable problems for people, and saves only a few minutes, perhaps better to omit Rugby/ Milton Keynes which have alternative more frequent services..

Its a bit more than a few, its going to be around 10 minutes. There is 5 minutes in dwell alone.

 

[richardderby]

Its a bit more than a few, its going to be around 10 minutes. There is 5 minutes in dwell alone.

yes but 10 minutes saved, means an hour wait for a lot of people, certainly Tamworth has a LOT of connecting traffic from the Crosscountry services to Derby and the North..

 

[The Planner]

yes but 10 minutes saved, means an hour wait for a lot of people, certainly Tamworth has a LOT of connecting traffic from the Crosscountry services to Derby and the North..

And that 10 minutes southbound also likely means people on the return journey get delayed. Its a balancing act which is always going to have losers.

 

[james60059]

Happened a few months ago, we all got kicked off at Rugby as the service was to run fast to Crewe to make up time. We were about 30 mins late and the next one was on time

 

[Tetchytyke]

yes but 10 minutes saved, means an hour wait for a lot of people

That will depend on the disruption.

I would say that, in many cases, the following train won't be disrupted (or won't disrupted as much) so the actual delay to these passengers will be less than an hour. If the delayed train is 30-40 minutes late and the following train is on time, for instance.

Not ideal, of course, but its a balancing act and, as so often with skipping stops, the number of winners will outweigh the number of losers.