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Are 158s hellfire?
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ChrisCooper
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158s were built between 1989 and 1992. There were a lot of teething problems to start with though, so proper introduction did take some time.
First time I saw one must have been back in 89 at West Runton between Sherringham and Cromer when they were based at Crown Point and operating the Norfolk Branches whilst they dealt with the problems. Travelled into Cromer and back and "disapointingly" had a 101 both ways (I had no taste as all in those days), although I did get a cab ride on the way back which made up for it. Around the same time I went to Cambridge and saw another 158 on a Norwich working (again instead of a 101) whilst waiting for a 156 back to Loughborough. I don't think I actually had my first 158 until after privatisation.
33056
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I am an unashamed dinosaur, resigned to the fact that the modern UK railway holds very little interest for me these days. Trips across the English Channel are preferable, though much is changing over there as well - and not for the better either.
However, I am reasonably adaptable - as one interest disappears, I will find something else to replace it, and that does NOT include bashing 158s or any other unit!
thefab444
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Not that keen on 158s, but the only ones we get down here are the dodgy fGW ones (I know there's the SWT 158/8s, but they should really be 159s), with a bit of love and care they're great. The 159s are pretty good, though with the fitting of Celia, the peace is soon to be disturbed. :neutral:
Some of them do, I think the 159/1s might have the 350hp engines, but I'm not sure.
Some of them do, I think the 159/1s might have the 350hp engines, but I'm not sure.
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Tom
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Correctamundo, AFAIK SWT haven't done the 400bhp clause in the contract yet....
Turbostar
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You are right, the 159/1s do have the Cummins NTA855R 260kW (350hp) 1900rpm as fitted to 158s, the 159/0s have the same engine, but is uprated to 300kW (400hp) 2100rpm. Not sure when SWT are planning to uprate the 159/1s engines, sure I read somewhere they're planning to do it once refurbishment of the 159/0 fleet has been completed, which is currently in progress.
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Tom
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The plan is only to uprate the engines if they don't take it out on the timings too much (ie, delays on /1 services compared to /0).
AFAIK the delays have been negligible, ie, in the seconds. The engines that could be uprated is the 158/8s that SWT have.
Birdbrain
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I wouldnt say they are hellfire but they are a nice unit to travel on as long as they are not over croweded. I would prefer a 159 though
Mintona
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158s are the hellfire-ist units on Britain's railways today.
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(Bar 390s
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What a sad state we are in, when plastic units are being described as Hellfire.
Hellfire applies to a real train - a loco and stock . If I have a unit thats hellfire, than a Cravens 105 DMU and the LNER class306/506 EMUS - now you are talking HELLFIRE
Hellfire applies to a real train - a loco and stock . If I have a unit thats hellfire, than a Cravens 105 DMU and the LNER class306/506 EMUS - now you are talking HELLFIRE
16CSVT2700
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In short.
NO
NO
voyagerdude220
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IMO, 220/221's are more hellfire than 158's :rasp:
If the 158 has its windows open however, it's better for engine noise.
On the other hand, a Northern 156 with its windows open is brilliant! Especially going down the Buxton branch.
As for 390's.. They're in a league of their own! 8) :blob6:
If the 158 has its windows open however, it's better for engine noise.
On the other hand, a Northern 156 with its windows open is brilliant! Especially going down the Buxton branch.
As for 390's.. They're in a league of their own! 8) :blob6:
devon_metro
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Couldn't agree more, the conference is the only place for them!
Dennis
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Along with Exeter and Torquay 
Can you explain why?
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Thrash, clag, noise, power, looks.
EE Type 3
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Ok, I admit hellfire is a tad extreme 
Can someone of power change the topic name to something more suitable?
Ta
Can someone of power change the topic name to something more suitable?
Ta
Techniquest
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'enjoyable' perhaps?
I still reckon that 158s are hellfire. It's all opinion!
I still reckon that 158s are hellfire. It's all opinion!
Juniper Driver
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Tom
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They aren't....
Turbostar
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Referring back to an earlier post of mine... :roll:
The 159/1s have the Cummins NTA855R 260kW (350hp) 1900rpm as fitted to 158s, the 159/0s have the same engine, but is uprated to 300kW (400hp) 2100rpm. Hence, the 159/0s ARE more powerful than the 158's. Yes, we all have our own opinions on the 158s/159s, but I still stand by VXCFan & any others, they are Hellfire in the 2nd gen dmu world, especially after visiting Salisbury for a while last wednesday lol.
It was wicked!Mart
Respite
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Quick take her away now, get the people in the white coats she's obviously lost the plot alltogether now!
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Juniper Driver
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Referring back to an earlier post of mine... :roll:
The 159/1s have the Cummins NTA855R 260kW (350hp) 1900rpm as fitted to 158s, the 159/0s have the same engine, but is uprated to 300kW (400hp) 2100rpm. Hence, the 159/0s ARE more powerful than the 158's. Yes, we all have our own opinions on the 158s/159s, but I still stand by VXCFan & any others, they are Hellfire in the 2nd gen dmu world, especially after visiting Salisbury for a while last wednesday lol.
Mart
I drive them and generally find 159/0's slower accelerating.I did actually think 158's were 400hp and 159/0's 350 hp.I could ask Salisbury drivers as they are on them all the time.Did get a briefing on the 159/1's and the 158's.That was about all.
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Tom
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158s generally don't touch London at the moment so do Waterloo drivers also cover the odd Basingstoke - Pompey and the Salisbury - Romsey work?
Unless you sign them from the 158 7xx days on the Bristols
Unless you sign them from the 158 7xx days on the Bristols
I see and hear 158s all the time, there ain't nothing wrong with them really, however i wouldn't say their Hellfire just yet!
FGW are getting rid of their 158s for 142s and 150s!, What on Earth are they doing! 158s are more comfortable, more seats, nicer to look at and also have a decent 2tone! FGW will soon be using 150s on Cardiff-Portsmouth services, so soon it will be a luxury to be in a 158!
FGW are getting rid of their 158s for 142s and 150s!, What on Earth are they doing! 158s are more comfortable, more seats, nicer to look at and also have a decent 2tone! FGW will soon be using 150s on Cardiff-Portsmouth services, so soon it will be a luxury to be in a 158!
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And I just heard 442s were going to be running Holyhead to Chesters....
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