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Stigy

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I'm not suggesting for a minute I wouldn't need training. Of course I would. It just wouldn't have to be as intense and some of the potentially more complex things like ticket restrictions and day rovers as I know a good few bits already. If you know the tools to help get people the information, that then improves customer satisfaction
I’m not sure if you are aware you’re doing it, but you’re coming across as a bit arrogant. You’d need the same training as anyone else. You might think you know a lot, but trust me, you probably don’t. Depending on which role you’re looking at going for, you need to look at it as if you don’t know anything about it. There will be people both in the classroom and ‘in the field’ with the experience to train you, and you need to take on board what they are teaching you. It tends to put peoples’ backs up if you’re questioning what it is they’ve been doing for years.

Apologies if I have the wrong end of the stick, but that’s how it comes across.
 
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I think there's a couple of key points here:

Training
Training for frontline roles on the railway is generally done in a very structured way, as it's a legal requirement that rail businesses have procedures in place for provision of training of their staff. Quite often due to the turnover of staff, frontline staff are trained in groups, so it isn't feasible for each new recruit to be individually reviewed to see how much training each will need. Therefore there isn't a benefit to the TOC in such roles for taking on people who already have some knowledge, though if you do already have a background knowledge, I would expect that you would find the training easier - but that isn't going to help you get to that stage.

Application
Generally railway job adverts tend to be well structured and in the advert it will give an indication of the sorts of skills that the company is looking for. Generally for frontline roles they'll include things like customer service, following safety rules, ability to do shift work, possibly cash handling, manual handling, COSHH, lone working etc. When they're shortlisting applications, these are the criteria they'll be shortlisting on - managers will often get tens, possibly even hundreds of applications for a given role so it's important that it's clear in your application how your experience relates to these competency areas that they've asked to see.

That said...
My own view is that as an industry we don't always get the best people because it's all very bogged down in 'previous experience' and 'competency based questions' and whatnot rather than the soft skills and individual characteristics. To get a job as say, station staff, you have to be good at writing an application, and answering competency based questions (the latter where if someone's good at answering the question then they're going to most likely be good at embellishing an answer or, indeed, completely making it up), but there's no guarantee at the end of it all that that person who's good at those things will have a positive attitude towards work, or the soft skills for helping confused customers or controlling aggressive ones.

I think as an industry we have many jobs where you don't really need experience, just a reasonable standard of education, a good demeanour with people and a willingness to put in the effort and work, but we don't 'home-grow' that talent, when that provides a great opportunity to develop people for a career in rail at a time when actually, in many areas, it really is a struggle to recruit.

My suggestion...
...would be to do what you can to get some additional experience under your belt in relevant areas. Volunteering at a charity shop you might develop skills in cash handling and customer service, volunteering at a heritage railway you might develop skills in working to safety procedures and helping disabled visitors. Jobs in restaurants would give you food hygiene experience (useful for onboard catering roles, for instance) or working in a bar would help you develop skills for dealing with difficult (eg, drunk) customers. The more good experience you can get to tick more of those initial boxes, will put you in a better position for applying. Also, keep an eye out as some rail businesses are starting to do apprenticeship programmes, which are a step in the right direction for those with less experience.
 

RBSN

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At your age you want to be getting your driving licence as soon as possible and then applying for roles within the Railway. Forget Driving for now; you’re not of age and don’t have the relevant life experience.

Don’t take this to be a put down but the Railway is very particular and demands a certain type of criteria.

Become a Guard if you can. That will give you a brilliant insight to life on the a Railway.
 

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At your age you want to be getting your driving licence as soon as possible and then applying for roles within the Railway. Forget Driving for now; you’re not of age and don’t have the relevant life experience.

Don’t take this to be a put down but the Railway is very particular and demands a certain type of criteria.

Become a Guard if you can. That will give you a brilliant insight to life on the a Railway.
I've never applied for driver and wouldn't try to do so because of how hard it is for external candidates. I have been applying for guard, trolley person and station staff roles.
 

RBSN

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I've never applied for driver and wouldn't try to do so because of how hard it is for external candidates. I have been applying for guard, trolley person and station staff roles.

You’re going to find the criteria needed covers all roles, not just driving.

As others have previously noted; find yourself a solid job and get some work experience. You can apply whilst you work. Without work experience you are not going to be able to offer any transferable skills. And in turn you are going to find it impossible to get a job on the Railway.

Regarding what you believe you know about the Railway - take note to what people on this forum are saying. They’re trying to help you.
 

Red1980

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I've never applied for driver and wouldn't try to do so because of how hard it is for external candidates. I have been applying for guard, trolley person and station staff roles.

A guards position is just as safety critical as a driver's role and from a company perspective the criteria they look for within their candidates will be very similar.

I wouldn't be thinking that you'll have it much easier when it comes to applying for roles like that...there's numerous threads on here highlighting the trials and tribulations people have gone through trying to get into that grade.

Most roles on the railway are difficult to get into. Like someone said earlier unless you're on the doorstep you really do need that driving licence..... remember it's about making the application look as attractive as possible so the fact they don't need to worry about how you'll get into work each day would already be a bonus point. You're trying to look a more attractive option than the next candidate remember.
 

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There's a lot of sage advice from everyone here. Have you thought about going back into studying? Enrolling on a college course, or trying some free courses on futurelearn.com or the open university's website? This would show willingness to learn, acquiring new knowledge/skills, and determination to complete challenges.

Again, as has been said, experience of other types of roles first would help you land a railway job later. I've worked as a kitchenhand, librarian, supermarket cashier, butchers assistant, and clothes retail assistant. I flunked out of uni as it wasn't for me, but having worked in all those different roles helped me get a railway customer service job several years later.

I'm now a trainee driver. As a rail enthusiast, I went into it with a little background knowledge of signalling, operations, rolling stock etc. But at no point did I think I needed less training. It just made the beginning of training a little easier to grasp terminology, concepts, and methods.

Go for starter jobs first, build your skills up, and go for railway jobs later.
 
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