Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, the secret sealed document and his arrest

[brad465]

Andrew is in daily discussions about moving out of the Royal Lodge. He's clearly recognised that his time is up and is cooperating to leave, albeit timescales remain vague. There's no great benefit from Starmer allowing a house debate on this issue unless he wants to take a firm anti-monarchy stance, which clearly he doesn't, nor do the Tories as main opposition party. And actually on this I agree with Starmer that Parliament has more important things to be doing than getting involved in where Andrew lives.

This would also cause the economy to crash as everyone stops working to watch what would be a controversial but highly entertaining debate, where MPs take advantage of parliamentary privilege to discuss a dodgy royal.

 

[AlterEgo]

If the king is subject to parliament, then why is parliament not free to debate him, his family, and their affairs, why does he have effectively a veto over any proposed legislation that might affect the royal family,

None of that is true in law. It is just convention. The monarch doesn't have a formal veto. The monarchy is almost entirely a vassal for Parliament, is subject to it, succession is a matter for Parliament (it amended the law only in 2013!)

The most significant and intelligent reason for abolishing the monarchy is the monarch has powers it exercises solely under parliamentary direction that most parliaments worldwide cannot give themselves.

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Well Parliament can discuss the Royal Family and the monarchy if they want.

In fact it's this separation from the monarchy which requires the whole Black Rod banging on the door of the House of Commons to ask to be let in theatre.

It's more that customs dictate it's not discussed. If the Commons desperately wanted to debate it, they could. Even if there was some theoretical basis for refusing such a debate on behalf of the King, there would be uproar if it were actually exercised.

Andrew is in daily discussions about moving out of the Royal Lodge. He's clearly recognised that his time is up and is cooperating to leave, albeit timescales remain vague. There's no great benefit from Starmer allowing a house debate on this issue unless he wants to take a firm anti-monarchy stance, which clearly he doesn't, nor do the Tories as main opposition party. And actually on this I agree with Starmer that Parliament has more important things to be doing than getting involved in where Andrew lives.

Quite. The Andrew thing is damaging on the world stage too, and having a big chat about it in parliament would probably not be in the country's interests anyway.

 

[D1511]

Crushing statement from the Palace tonight........

"His Majesty has today initiated a formal process to remove the Style, Titles and Honours of Prince Andrew.

His lease on Royal Lodge has, to date, provided him with legal protection to continue in residence. Formal notice has now been served to surrender the lease and he will move to alternative private accommodation. These censures are deemed necessary, notwithstanding the fact that he continues to deny the allegations against him.

Their Majesties wish to make clear that their thoughts and utmost sympathies have been, and will remain with, the victims and survivors of any and all forms of abuse."

No plans to remove Andrew from line of succession after losing royal titles, government says

Andrew remains eighth in line to the throne and it would take an act of Parliament to formally remove him.

www.bbc.co.uk

Looks like there's an Act of Parliament coming up........

I wonder if they've got wind of more emails coming to the surface.......

 

[dgl]

Good on His Majesty for doing the right thing, even if it has been a long time coming.

 

[brad465]

The Royal formerly known as prince, getting his death by a thousand cuts.

 

[Peterthegreat]

Time to change the thread title.

 

[D1511]

Time to change the thread title.

Indeed .....it's plain old Andy Mountbatten-Windsor from Sandringham these days ....

 

[KevinBrum12]

Indeed .....it's plain old Andy Mountbatten-Windsor from Sandringham these days ....

Or Andy Mounty-Windy as he will be known by the locals!

 

[DarloRich]

Poor fella. He paid a woman he had never met £12m for things he never did and now he has lost his title and and home while being entirely innocent of things he didn't do. Shocking.

Imagine if he was guilty!

PS - am i still paying for him?

 

[styles]

The grand old Duke of York
He said he didn't sweat
So why did he pay 12 million quid to a girl he'd never met?


Catchy song on Spotify.

 

[Yew]

<From a quoted article>
Formal notice has now been served to surrender the lease and he will move to alternative private accommodation.

Presumably surrendering the lease will also incur a substantial refund on his large initial payment?

 

[styles]

Presumably surrendering the lease will also incur a substantial refund on his large initial payment?

Around £550k I think The Telegraph reported.

 

[SuspectUsual]

Poor fella. He paid a woman he had never met £12m of his mum’s money for things he never did and now he has lost his title and and home while being entirely innocent of things he didn't do. Shocking.

Imagine if he was guilty!

PS - am i still paying for him?

Corrected that for you

(So arguably his siblings have paid £3m each assuming the Queen’s will passed her money on to them)

 

[AM9]

Post removed.

 

[edwin_m]

Time to change the thread title.

Bring back "the symbol formerly known as Prince"?

 

[Senex]

Poor fella. He paid a woman he had never met £12m for things he never did and now he has lost his title and and home while being entirely innocent of things he didn't do. Shocking.

Imagine if he was guilty!

PS - am i still paying for him?

A perfect summary!

 

[Yorkshire09876]

Bring back "the symbol formerly known as Prince"?

Surely in this case it's 'The Andrew formerly known as Prince'?

 

[Henffordd]

What about all of his military ranks? Has he given them up already? If not, will he be cashiered? And would the Palace auction TV rights for the ceremony?

 

[JamesT]

What about all of his military ranks? Has he given them up already? If not, will he be cashiered? And would the Palace auction TV rights for the ceremony?

He was stripped of all his honorary military titles a few years ago. All that's left is his service rank following retirement. In principle that could be revoked for bringing the military into disrepute, not sure how common that is.

 

[Gloster]

What about all of his military ranks? Has he given them up already? If not, will he be cashiered? And would the Palace auction TV rights for the ceremony?

I am not sure that they have any legal grounds to remove his ranks entirely as he has not actually been convicted of any offence and the most serious events were, I think, after he left the navy. However, I feel he should lose his honorary naval ranks, he is a Vice Admiral (*), and revert to Commander, the one he did rise to while in the service. Even that is a bit lucky: there have long been rumours that he was one of those who was adequate as a subordinate officer, but not really fit for any form of command. Anyone else would have been eased out after twelve or fifteen years as as Lieutenant or Lieutenant-Commander, but they couldn’t do that for the Queen’s son.

* -Very much a Vice Admiral.

He was stripped of all his honorary military titles a few years ago. All that's left is his service rank following retirement. In principle that could be revoked for bringing the military into disrepute, not sure how common that is.

I think it was the honorary military ranks (Colonel or Colonel-in-Chief of various regiments) that he lost some years ago. His naval ones, his actual service, were retained.

 

[brad465]

A right player if this is true:

Andrew 'had 40 prostitutes brought into five-star Thai hotel within four days'

Andrew Lownie said that the former Duke of York had the prostitutes taken to his room while on a visit to Thailand for the king's birthday at the taxpayer's expense.

metro.co.uk

Andrew had 40 prostitutes brought into his five-star hotel within four days, a royal historian has said.

Andrew Lownie said that the former Duke of York had the prostitutes taken to his room while on a visit to Thailand at the taxpayer’s expense for the king’s birthday celebrations.

Mr Lownie added that the visits were all enabled by ‘diplomats and others’.

The former prince, whose royal titles have now been stripped following, was the UK’s special representative for international trade and investment between 2001 and 2011.

However, according to Mr Lownie, who charted Andrew’s life as a royal in his book, the King, then Prince Charles, advised then PM Tony Blair against hiring his brother over concerns he would only ‘chase women and play golf’.

The author of Entitled: The Rise and Fall of the House of York told Daily Mail that Andrew would insist on lodging at luxurious hotels rather than at embassies during his official visits, during which he would put in two weeks of ‘private time’ in addition to his envoy business.

Former trade envoy and Paul Scully told Times Radio that Andrew booked out ‘pretty much’ an entire floor of Bangkok’s Mandarin Oriental Hotel when he visited the city for the king’s funeral.

The ex Tory MP said that Andrew’s indulgence cost somewhere in the region of £50,000.

The about advising Blair not to hire Andrew as he might ‘chase women and play golf’ is interesting, as that's essentially the top qualifications for becoming US President.

 

[JamieL]

It will be interesting to see whuch House on the Sandringham Estate Andrew ends up with. Despite everything, he is still going to be living in a big house at the King's expense.

 

[styles]

A right player if this is true:

Andrew 'had 40 prostitutes brought into five-star Thai hotel within four days'

Andrew Lownie said that the former Duke of York had the prostitutes taken to his room while on a visit to Thailand for the king's birthday at the taxpayer's expense.

metro.co.uk

Can you be considered a 'player' if you pay for it?

 

[Elwyn]

It will be interesting to see whuch House on the Sandringham Estate Andrew ends up with. Despite everything, he is still going to be living in a big house at the King's expense.

Is there a dog house he might have?

 

[Gloster]

Presumably the best choice of the six that the BBC are mentioning would be The Folly: it is the furthest from the Prince of Wales retreat and the smallest (so the least holiday cottage revenue lost), but still quite adequate for his and his teddy bears’ ‘modest’ needs. Whether he would accept it or feel that he is owed a larger residence, he would, one hopes, be told to think himself lucky that he isn’t being sent to be the resident governor of Rockall.

 

[DerekC]

Presumably the best choice of the six that the BBC are mentioning would be The Folly: it is the furthest from the Prince of Wales retreat and the smallest (so the least holiday cottage revenue lost), but still quite adequate for his and his teddy bears’ ‘modest’ needs. Whether he would accept it or feel that he is owed a larger residence, he would, one hopes, be told to think himself lucky that he isn’t being sent to be the resident governor of Rockall.

I think Rockall's a bit severe. St Kilda would be fair. There are some houses to choose from there, and space for a few sheep. And it was apparently regarded at one time as the penitentiary of the Hebrides. The MoD has a canteen there, which sounds very suitable. I don't think Tesco deliver, although they do have a store in Stornoway. Oh, and here's a picture of the airport lounge.

 

[styles]

I'm not sure he should be left to his own devices on an unoccupied island. He might have picked up too many lessons from Epstein.

 

[AM9]

I'm not sure he should be left to his own devices on an unoccupied island. He might have picked up too many lessons from Epstein.

Maybe sheep 'farming'?

 

[OhNoAPacer]

I am wondering what the Norfolk tourist board think of having to live in Norfolk being described as a punishment.

 

[KevinBrum12]

I am wondering what the Norfolk tourist board think of having to live in Norfolk being described as a punishment.

Or even having the most reviled and hated man in the kingdom who is not a prison "lifer" being dumped in their patch.

Norfolk Police must be brassed off too. Up until last week they only had the Royals Christmas visit for a couple of weeks a year plus the occasional Royal visit to the county. Now, they've got Mountbatten-Windsor they've got to keep an eye on 24/7.