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An Inspector Recalls

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Aah... Maxpax, I haven't heard that word for many years. The thing about the fiddles was that it was, in some places, the norm. I'm have a friend of about 10 years standing who is a particularly honest and genuine man, but he has readily admitted to me that in his railway stewarding days he made an illicit fortune!
 
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Just to add my thanks to the general chorus - an excellent book, of great interest not just to railwaymen and police officers, but also to the general public like me. I'd never have heard of it if it wasn't for this forum, and thank the OP for mentioning it.

My only regret is that I purchased the Kindle edition (as it was cheaper) but I now wish I'd bought the paper version so I could more easily dip into it again in the future.

Many thanks and best wishes to you and your wife.

Drew
 
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Dear Drew, it is very kind of you to have taken the time and trouble to write. Thank you. I'm delighted that you enjoyed the book, thank you again for letting me know. Best wishes.
P.S if there any questions arising then do ask away.
 

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I dropped a subtle hint about this book to my wife ahead of my recent birthday, and she came through with the goods!
Very interesting, and highly readable – I’ve nearly finished it within two days.


I must say though, Chapter 9 has destroyed one of my wistful reminiscences about the good old British Rail era.

Roger Ford, the veteran columnist in Modern Railways, once wrote an account in the magazine about travelling in an Inter-City restaurant car on the ECML, when the steward presenting the dinner menu whispered something along the lines of “chef has baked a steak-and-kidney pie, sir, which isn’t on the menu”. This dish was apparently only on offer to “regulars”, and Ford has repeated the story several times since, in the sense that this was a welcome diversion from BR's corporate uniformity to be applauded and enjoyed - an opinion I agreed with.

At that time, the late 1970s and early 1980s, I was making regular (but not necessarily frequent) business trips via the WCML into Euston which allowed me to eat breakfast and dinner in restaurant cars. I quite fancied the prospect of becoming a member of a select club of Pullman passengers who got to enjoy conspiratorial, a-nod’s-as-good-as-a-wink privileges - and especially if it resulted in me getting to eat a nice steak pie. Anyhow, I obviously never became enough of a regular*, because I wasn't offered anything out of the ordinary on any of my trips. Maybe this was because we were travelling from Runcorn, and the Liverpool catering crews would never be involved in anything dodgy.

Until reading An Inspector Recalls, it had never crossed my mind that, while chef may well have baked a pie, and the pie was probably very tasty, the proceeds of sale would never get anywhere near the accounts department of British Rail. And if I had had opportunity to enjoy an Inter-City “special of the day”, I potentially could have found myself accessory to an investigation by BTP’s Sausage and Sandwich Squad.


* - The reason I may not have clocked up enough miles to become a “regular” is because the more senior manager who usually travelled with me, and had the final say on travel arrangements, decided there was much more kudos as a thrusting 1980s “executive” in flying to meetings rather than travelling by train. Therefore, although we travelled from Runcorn to University College, London (a five-minute walk from Euston), we had to get out of bed earlier and have a company driver take us for a much longer car journey to Manchester Airport (and guess who had to be picked up first and dropped off last). Then get a BA Super Shuttle to Heathrow (no cooked breakfast, Frank Cooper’s marmalade - or steak & kidney pie - on the plane), followed by a ridiculously expensive black cab from Heathrow which got stuck in traffic in west London, all to take us around the corner from Euston station. Clueless and egotistical senior managers – another theme covered in An Inspector Recalls!
 
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Just finished the book. Highly recommended. I found the section on the Southall investigation and inquiry particularly interesting. The author clearly did a professional job in running the BTP investigation. However one of the consequences of Southall and Ladbroke Grove was the creation of RAIB, which as I understand it is intended to put investigation of cause and prevention of similar future accidents ahead of the prosecution of possible crime. To me this makes sense, but the book doesn't discuss this point. It would be very interesting to know what the author thinks about it.
 

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'Springs Branch' glad you enjoyed it. I must say your account of Roger Ford perhaps writing about the 'unofficial' steak pie was funny. Can you imagine the horror of the chef seeing the story in print if the pie was not only 'unofficial' but strictly private enterprise. Of course the chef concerned might have been a completely innocent, hardworking, creative and dedicated BR chef without a thought to making a sly bob or two. On the other hand...
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Dear DerekC. I don't think that the investigation as to the cause of an accident and steps to prevent further like incidents should be 'ahead' or 'behind' the needs of a crime investigation. They should be pursued simultaneously and on an even footing. Obviously it would be wrong, and against the public interest, for the police to conceal evidence that has an ongoing safety implication, and we certainly did not do that in the Southall investigation. But to come clean, I do not believe in a 'no blame culture': to often it can lead to a 'no individual responsibility culture' and I don't think that is good for operations or good for public safety. I hope that helps.
 

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Dear DerekC. I don't think that the investigation as to the cause of an accident and steps to prevent further like incidents should be 'ahead' or 'behind' the needs of a crime investigation. They should be pursued simultaneously and on an even footing. Obviously it would be wrong, and against the public interest, for the police to conceal evidence that has an ongoing safety implication, and we certainly did not do that in the Southall investigation. But to come clean, I do not believe in a 'no blame culture': to often it can lead to a 'no individual responsibility culture' and I don't think that is good for operations or good for public safety. I hope that helps.

Dear Graham. I agree that you can't have a "no blame culture" - but almost all accidents have human error as either the primary cause or a significant contributory factor and the degree of blame attributable to the error depends hugely on circumstances. As an engineer, I am supposed to design systems which reduce the probability of error and trap it and react safely if one does occur. Therefore a "moving train" accident implies a failure of engineering as well as a human error. So what I would want to know if an accident occured is exactly what happened and why, so that I could improve systems (and their related management processes) to avoid the same thing happening again. Punishing the blameworthy should be done, but doesn't really do much to reduce the probability of another accident. Hence why I think that finding the cause should take priority over finding who to blame. I agree with you that ideally the two should go hand in hand, but as your book makes clear, money and politics act to make that difficult and a police-led investigation tends to prompt defensive tactics from those who might get blamed. Do you know whether RAIB has an easier time than you did, from this point of view?
 
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Well Derek, I still don't think identifying the cause of an accident during a criminal investigation is logically inferior to identifying it as a priority for safety reasons. The matter really rests on what is done with vital safety information once found. The benefits of a police investigation are that the public should have the right to expect:
a) Unbiased investigators having access to the materials without fear or favour. (something that company servants cannot do, but police or other agents SHOULD be able to)
b) The use of the most appropriate scientific and technical expertise.
c) And this is the key point, that investigators keep those with a responsibility to run a safe railway fully aware of relevant developments.

As you say Derek, 'money and politics act to make that difficult and a police-led investigation tends to prompt defensive tactics from those who might get blamed.'BUT These people will be defensive in any event -because if they have something to hide, or something to lose. The difference between a police led investigation and a 'no blame' investigation is that the latter stands much less of a chance of establishing the truth, simply because of the problems you yourself perceive - money and politics and defensive tactics by the blameworthy.
So far as the RAIB is concerned, I don't know if they have a hard time or not. If they do not then I would be worried that they are not 'knocking hard enough on the door'!
 

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It is interesting to consider the depth of investigation, disruption to service, and how it has changed over the years - this applies to roads as well as railways.
Photographs of the Harrow disaster (the worst ever in peacetime) show trains passing by the wreckage as bodies were still being removed at the other side; today the whole line would be closed for days if not weeks. I am uncertain which is the better approach.
 

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Well comparisons are not straightforward.
The law on Health & Safety was much less developed in 1952. The law of corporate manslaughter was all but a sham. In addition the railway was a much less technically complex place.
Furthermore the idea that the Transport Police would prosecute (No CPS in 1952) British Railways for corporate manslaughter, even if the law had evolved to that extent in those days, is risible.
In those days only train drivers and signalman were held responsible.
Now, the greater role of technology makes investigation vastly more complex, crime scene analysis and forensic evidence gathering techniques and search techniques are far more advanced.
Put simply, the job is harder to do, but the investigators are better able to establish the truth. Furthermore, as the Southall case showed, railway companies cannot now call the shots, and they can be held to account as much as many train driver.
I know what I prefer, and I believe it is what the public not only prefer, but demands
 

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Well Derek, I still don't think identifying the cause of an accident during a criminal investigation is logically inferior to identifying it as a priority for safety reasons. The matter really rests on what is done with vital safety information once found. The benefits of a police investigation are that the public should have the right to expect:
a) Unbiased investigators having access to the materials without fear or favour. (something that company servants cannot do, but police or other agents SHOULD be able to)
b) The use of the most appropriate scientific and technical expertise.
c) And this is the key point, that investigators keep those with a responsibility to run a safe railway fully aware of relevant developments.

As you say Derek, 'money and politics act to make that difficult and a police-led investigation tends to prompt defensive tactics from those who might get blamed.'BUT These people will be defensive in any event -because if they have something to hide, or something to lose. The difference between a police led investigation and a 'no blame' investigation is that the latter stands much less of a chance of establishing the truth, simply because of the problems you yourself perceive - money and politics and defensive tactics by the blameworthy.
So far as the RAIB is concerned, I don't know if they have a hard time or not. If they do not then I would be worried that they are not 'knocking hard enough on the door'!

OK, Graham. I understand your point of view and I respect it given your hands-on experience. You are absolutely right to emphasise the need for independence. However there is a long (and pretty successful) history of independent safety-led investigations in the railway industry and I think that the effective abolition of the HMRI at privatisation was a major government blunder which had eventually to be put right by the creation of RAIB. That's not in any way intended as a personal criticism.
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In those days only train drivers and signalman were held responsible.

I don't think that's quite fair. There are many examples of HMRI criticising railway companies, although the recommendation to fit AWS after Harrow is pretty mealy-mouthed, I would agree.
 

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Hi Derek, No, I didn't take it as a personal criticism, I guess I must still care about this stuff? Anyway, at the Southall crash the HSE railway safety people (largely former HMRI) were undoubtedly ineffective. Don't take my word for it, look at the evidence of the Public Inquiry. My job, as the senior investigating officer, was made much more difficult by that. That is why the RAIB was formed. The railways, like the airways and merchant shipping, need constant oversight by safety officials (whether called HMRI, HSE or RAUB). The police cannot perform that function.
'Mealy-mouthed' is a good phrase and entirely appropriate.
 

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Thank you Graham for a most excellent read.

It kept me occupied on my daily (train) commute from Southport to Liverpool Central (and back).

The fate you suffered at the end of your career reminds me all to much what happens in my job in the Civil Service.

Once again, thank you for a most entertaining read.

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Toni, it was thoughtful of you to take the trouble to write. Thank you. Re your point on your Civil Service fate, I can see how you might relate it to my own: I think such feelings might common. If you find time to provide an Amazon book review I would be indebted. Thank you again Toni, best wishes, I'm very glad you enjoyed it.
 

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It is interesting to consider the depth of investigation, disruption to service, and how it has changed over the years - this applies to roads as well as railways.
Photographs of the Harrow disaster (the worst ever in peacetime) show trains passing by the wreckage as bodies were still being removed at the other side; today the whole line would be closed for days if not weeks. I am uncertain which is the better approach.

I can speak from personal experience of the Hither Green train crash in 1967- I lived in the area and spent about two hours that Guy Fawkes Night directing traffic on the South Circular Road adjoining the site, as the police and emergency services were far too busy to get involved with that aspect, or even to divert road traffic in the area initially. I was gratified most to prevent two ambulances crashing head-on.
 

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Toni, it was thoughtful of you to take the trouble to write. Thank you. Re your point on your Civil Service fate, I can see how you might relate it to my own: I think such feelings might common. If you find time to provide an Amazon book review I would be indebted. Thank you again Toni, best wishes, I'm very glad you enjoyed it.

Review written on Amazon for you !!!

Regards

Toni
 

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Thank you Toni, very much obliged. If you have any questions at all about the book, do ask.
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Hi DarloRich, did you ever get around to reading it?
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I can speak from personal experience of the Hither Green train crash in 1967- I lived in the area and spent about two hours that Guy Fawkes Night directing traffic on the South Circular Road adjoining the site, as the police and emergency services were far too busy to get involved with that aspect, or even to divert road traffic in the area initially. I was gratified most to prevent two ambulances crashing head-on.

You know that was one of the few undoubtedly positive aspects of the Southall crash - the way the local people with houses adjacent to the lines responded. They had garden fences torn down, gardens trampled on, noise and all sorts of disturbance for days - but they were completely supportive.
 

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Just a quick note, having recommended the book to numerous friends and colleagues, all with positive feed back, the local book club have also had it as the book of the month
Again thanks for the enjoyment, when is volume 2 coming out?
 

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Volume 2? Well thank you for asking. I have been learning to write crime drama scripts over the last few years and really love doing it. But I'm flattered that you and your friends enjoyed the book so much. Let's hope the book club like it too. I don't want to tempt anyone, but the feedback has been entirely positive. Keep telling your friends Dave Deltic, who knows where it might end!!!:)
 
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