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MidnightFlyer

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Throughout the "day" it is the same on all services
The difference comes on "Breakfast" and the "Evening Meal"
On a Pendolino the breakfast is superior, the evening meal is acceptable (certainly not what it used to be)
On a Voyager the breakfast and evening meal are a micro-re-heat option

I'll give you that on the Pendolino Evening Meal, since they dropped Primo with VHF, it's got poorer, for an additional note, the Voyager Evening Meal is only available on holyheqad trains, the Brum-Scotland trains are Light Bites on all services after 1000.
 
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I'm planning a Standard ALR next Summer, and for le Caledonian Sleeper where do I book for seated accommodation?
 

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You can contact their telesales on this number: 01752 675670 between 07:00 and 22:00 or go to any booking office (but those that don't sell sleeper tickets regularly may struggle).
 

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You can contact their telesales on this number: 01752 675670 between 07:00 and 22:00 or go to any booking office (but those that don't sell sleeper tickets regularly may struggle).

okay thanks, will look into it closer to that date, two timetable changes yet :P
 

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I'm planning a Standard ALR next Summer, and for le Caledonian Sleeper where do I book for seated accommodation?
When purchasing your ticket, make the reservations at the same time
They shouldn't have any problems as it is simply a seat

If they are unable to do so, then email FSR and they will process this for you
They will then send back details and an attachment with the reservation which you should print and then carry with you

The problems arise when trying to book a sleeper with a ALR, some stations staff really struggle with this
It needs to be booked as a ticket plus berth, the ticket then being cancelled
 

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Not got a ton to add to this thread, but just wanted to add that I'm glad I read that advice. Planning to do an ALR myself in 2011 (no idea when yet as I'm waiting for birthday and Christmas money to do it :lol:), so the advice regarding seat reservations on the Cally sleeper is most welcome. So thanks! :)

Will have a read of the rest of this thread, then edit this post if I've anything useful to add.
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An ALR is a complete rip-off. £990 for a 14-day first class ticket? You can get a 15-day first-class pass for Swiss railways for less than half that amount (£425) - and swiss railways are truly luxurious, with stunning scenery on every single line. Don't waste your money - book a cheap flight to Zurich, get a Swiss rail pass and spend the other £550 on budget lodgings once you're there. :D

A good point to remember is that Switzerland is a tiny country compared to the UK. Fares reflect this.

As for whether a UK ALR is a rip-off or not is subjective. If, for example, you wanted to use one to get around the country without restrictions and cover routes you still haven't done, whilst also having the flexibility to change plans at the drop of a hat for whatever reason, then it's a very good value ticket.

My planned ALR in 2011 (my first at that) is being bought for covering routes I still haven't done. Yes with some careful planning and buying Advance fares months before intended travel, it may well work out to be cheaper. But that doesn't come with the same level of delight at holding *the* most flexible ticket for travel in the UK in your hands, knowing you've got a whole week/fortnight to go where you please, when you please. I know I'd like that as I've done it twice with a mate's ALR. It was incredibly hard to let him have it back! :lol: Not that I used it at all mind, just staring at his ALR in my hands was enough. I knew when he did his one in March I just have to do one! In August I made firm plans to do one at the first opportunity in 2011.

An ALR comes with incredible freedom for haulage enthusiasts like myself too. No combination of Advance fares/walk-up returns/whatever will ever give me the same freedom to choose what train I want to get on. So in that respect it's also incredibly good value. Granted, in that respect, if the UK motive power scene doesn't interest you then an ALR is a rip-off, and the Swiss pass is a better deal. As I say, it's all subjective.

Suggestions for the OP's ALR in December 2010, well difficult to say really. He wishes to travel on scenic lines and interesting traction. Difficult to know what to suggest in traction terms, but there's still a fair bit to choose from. Should he wish to travel on electric locomotive-hauled trains, the ECML and GEML are the best bet, as well as that Fridays Only run from Euston to Preston. Diesel loco wise, it's still restrictive but WSMR, ATW's WAG-Ex and the current FGW/FSR loco hauled stuff, as well as the Night Riviera and Cally sleeper north of Edinburgh, should provide a fair bit of choice.

Where to go? I think most things have been suggested already to be honest, although I highly recommend a run from Paddington to Penzance. Most of the scenic stuff kicks in after Plymouth it seems, so the sleeper would be running in daylight for much of the Cornish section of the run. Getting an HST back to London after would, of course, mean you see all of the delights back to Exeter (north of which is rather meh). The West Highland Line is also a definite. Suggested it to the same mate of mine who did his last ALR in March, as he'd never been up there. He got the sleeper up to Fort William and loved it, as I reckoned would be the case.

You'd be in darkness on the northbound run, but doing the Highland Chieftain throughout from Inverness to Kings Cross would take you through some stunning scenery in daylight. If it's been snowing, far better.

The WCML north of Lancaster is really stunning too, highly recommended. A trip down the Heart of Wales line is also highly recommended, some stunning scenery, best enjoyed on a nice day. Hard to come by in December of course, but still worth doing. I always enjoy a trip up or down that line. Slow, and means settling for a 153 most of the year, but as I say if you've not done it then it's well worth the effort.

A trip through the Golden Valley (between Gloucester and Swindon via Stroud) is quite nice too, although I forget what it's like in December. At the right time of year, it's pretty scenic in places. Might be worth a shot, and it wouldn't take too long to do anyway.

Another thought is one that sticks in mind from someone's advice on another forum years ago, which is to not rely on places like Burger King for meals, as it's all empty calories and won't fill you up for long, meaning you'll end up spending more money.

Finally, enjoy the experience. Do let us know how it went!
 

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I booked all my sleeper supplements last year on the telesales line as you cant do on line for these. You can book at stations but it will take you for ages as most staff arent used to the sleeper system. Theres no booking fee and you get them by 1st post or ticket collection. The other advantage of over the phone you can specify berth numbers so you can avoid the low or high numbers assuming you book plenty in advance. As for ALR in general id not waste the money doing one in the winter months as your not gonna see much with the short days.

I think to get the best value go for the main lines (HSTS) get a regional one if you wanna sit on sprinters etc.

Its hard to cram everything into 7 days go for 14 if you can afford it, im looking to do another in the summer as they are a unique ticket its just a shame they aint more loco hauled to be had. Theres plenty of HSTs to bash so get one before they go
 

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For anyone who is interested here's my thoughts so far on planning my ALR. I'm hoping to start 28 November.

I've also noted which trains I expect to get free meals on.

Sunday
06:00 08:40 York-Manchester
08:55 09:59 Manchester-Buxton
10:22 11:11 Buxton-Stockport
11:31 12:46 Stockport-Chester
13:22 13:38 Chester-Wrexham
15:15 19:55 Wrexham-Marylebone Dinner
Walk Walk Marylebone-Euston
20:55 07:42 Euston-Aviemore Sleeper Breakfast

Monday
08:29 15:50 Aviemore-Kings Cross
Walk Walk Kings Cross-Euston
Add another journey?
21:15 09:54 Euston-Fort William Sleeper Breakfast
(May alight at Corrour and walk down to and part way round the lake if weather ok)

Tuesday
11:40 15:30 Fort William-Glasgow Queen Street
Walk Walk Glasgow Queen Street-Glasgow Central
16:40 21:24 Glasgow Central-Euston Dinner
Walk Walk Euston-Paddington
23:50 05:35 Paddington-Plymouth Sleeper Breakfast

Wednesday
05:50 06:42 Plymouth-Par
06:52 07:44 Par-Newquay
07:48 08:39 Newquay-Par
08:46 10:46 Par-Newton Abbot
10:35 10:42 Newton Abbot-Teignmouth
12:38 13:13 Teignmouth-Exeter
13:25 14:27 Exeter-Bristol Temple Meads
14:54 15:43 Bristol-Cardiff
16:15 20:49 Cardiff-Holyhead Dinner
Overnight Holyhead

Thursday
05:32 08:09 Holyhead-Shrewsbury Breakfast
08:24 10:14 Shrewsbury-Llandudno Junction
10:33 11:33 Llandudno Junction-Blaenau
11:50 13:00 Blaenau-Porthmadog
14:53 15:18 Porthmadog-Pwllheli
15:34 17:58 Pwllheli-Machynlleth
18:48 19:25 Machynlleth-Aberystwyth
19:30 21:28 Aberystwyth-Shrewsbury
21:39 22:15 Shrewsbury-Wrexham
Overnight Wrexham

Friday
05:10 08:57 Wrexham-Marylebone Breakfast
Walk Walk Marylebone-Euston
09:30 11:38 Euston-Oxenholme Breakfast
12:28 12:47 Oxenholme-Windermere
12:51 13:07 Windermere-Oxenholme
13:24 15:17 Oxenholme-Glasgow Lunch
16:30 17:25 Glasgow-Ayr
17:31 18:52 Ayr-Stranraer
19:40 21:05 Stranraer-Ayr
21:13 22:09 Ayr-Glasgow
23:40 06:50 Glasgow-Euston Sleeper Breakfast

Saturday
07:25 09:26 St Pancras-Derby
09:50 10:26 Derby-Matlock Bath
10:35 11:10 Matlock Bath-Derby
11:28 14:43 Derby-Exeter
15:18 15:50 Exeter-Exmouth
16:25 16:56 Exmouth-Exeter
17:03 19:22 Exeter-Paddington
Walk Walk Paddington-Euston
21:00 23:38 Euston-Manchester Piccadilly
23:49 02:09 Manchester Piccadilly-York
 
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No offence, and I do know that it is down to what you really want to do, but it looks to me like you have wasted some of your time. I would recommend to Mallaig :)
 

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08:29 15:50 Aviemore-Euston
You've either made an error here or not expanded the journeys
This train actually (normally) goes to Kings Cross
You would then need to walk to Euston
You could then take a return trip to Birmingham / Wolverhampton, giving you two meals the one back to Euston would be an evening meal
 

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The two daytime Lancaster-Euston services (and in the opposite direction) are Voyagers, as is the Euston service off Lancaster at 0540 in the morning.

The 0540 is often a Pendolino now, they tend to be random as far as I can tell.
 

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The 0540 is often a Pendolino now, they tend to be random as far as I can tell.

One definately doubles up with the first Holyhead-Euston Voyager at Crewe, it's the one that calls at Nuneaton on-route :D
 

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No offence, and I do know that it is down to what you really want to do, but it looks to me like you have wasted some of your time. I would recommend to Mallaig :)

Mallaig is essential....i did Par-Newquay on a HST and its nothing special apart from the novelty of a HST on single track its not worth it. Ive heard Liskaerd-Looe and St Ives are the best of the cornish branches
 

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I've been to Mallaig a few times and I love it. In fact staying overnight in a pub there in a couple of weeks time :) I've been to Looe as well. Really enjoyed the line down there.
 

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One definately doubles up with the first Holyhead-Euston Voyager at Crewe, it's the one that calls at Nuneaton on-route :D

If the 0540 is not a Voyager, it goes fast from Crewe ahead of the Voyager.
 

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I have a few questions which are very simple I think! But I'm not sure of the answers!

  1. Can I buy an ALR now for travel in late November?
  2. For Caledonian Sleeper and Night Riviera can I use seated accommodation in both with a first class ALR?
  3. If I want a berth on Caledonian Sleeper or Night Riviera and I have a first class ALR do I just need to pay a berth supplement?
  4. Can I use First Class lounges with a first class ALR?
  5. Are W&S, Arriva Wales Premier and Virgin Trains the only companies to offer free meals with a first class ALR and is it on all routes? I know some others offer snacks.
  6. Is ALR validity from 00.01 on day 1 to 23.59 day 7?
  7. Which, if any, train companies offer free meals on weekends with a first class ALR?

Thanks in advance :)

6. So long as you start your journey before 23.59 on a timetabled service, the ticket remains valid until the end of that service. No breaks allowed - but you could fit in a final evening sleeper
 
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