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ALR on HS1
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MCR247
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Yes AFAIK it is
Ivo
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Only the most premium of premium services, i.e. Heathrow Express and Eurostar, and local metro/tram routes do not accept the ALR. The SE HS may be the country's fastes domestic route but, after all, it is just a standard domestic route. I cant wait to use the ALR on it come June [assuming I can afford the ALR...!]. Do remember that there are no FC facilities though (unless I'm mistaken).
Why wouldn't it be? The only tickets that are not valid on HS1 are tickets that state "NOT HS1" or tickets that are simply not valid on it because it's not a permitted route in the routeing guide, or it's not in the relevant area. This is no different to any other route.
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Not part of National Rail.
Not a domestic operator so not part of National Rail.
Also not part of National Rail.
Absolutely. And no, there aren't.
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I hear the rails are made of titanium, the fishplates are gold plated, and a red carpet is rolled out when the train calls at all stations. Inside there is ample leg room, 1+2 seating, large tables at every seat, curtains, a restaurant serving complimentary meals, and an at-seat service of light refreshments. Individually controlled lights at every seat, deep sprung seats, and... oh, wait, none of that is true and it's just another plastic trainReally? This magical line that has domestic trains going at up to 140mph? Surely you should need a special permit to go on that line? It's like some sort of SUPER railway!!
Ivo
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I would have said "not NR", but I wasn't entirely sure about examples such as the Gatwick Express (which I would assume is included in the ALR validity) and OA operators, which surely do accept it.
323235
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Heathrow Connect is listed as a valid operator on the 7 Day All Line Rover page on NR.
[Edit : Just found out Heathrow Express/Heathrow Connect are two different things]
[Edit : Just found out Heathrow Express/Heathrow Connect are two different things]
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Gatwick Express services are operated by Southern.
Open Access TOCs have to accept inter-available ticketing if they want a slice of ORCATS revenue. If they didn't want ORCATS revenue then they'd not be viable. I believe they are called "associate members" rather than "full members" or something like that. I'd guess they get very restrictive voting rights, and they are not entitled to join PRIV discount schemes, but they do have to accept inter-available tickets. Glynn80 is an expert on this I believe, he may be able to clarify.
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Open-Access operators are associate members of ATOC but participate fully within the "schemes" managed by ATOC on behalf of the TOCs.
The mandatory schemes are
National Rail Enquiry Service Scheme (NRES)
Ticketing and Settlement Scheme
Certain Railcard Schemes (16-25, Senior and Disabled)
London Schemes (If applicable)
Rail Staff Travel Scheme (I believe Open-Access operators are either banned or exempted from mandatory membership to this scheme)
ATOCs remaining schemes are open to operators on a voluntary basis. They are:
Other Railcard Schemes (HM Forces, Family and Network)
International Scheme
Retail Agents Scheme
Operations Scheme
Engineering Scheme
It is the Ticketing and Settlement Scheme membership that includes the obligations to accept inter-available ticketing (including the All Line Rover) and allows TOCs to receive revenue through the ORCATS scheme.
With regard to their voting rights, I believe that Open-Access oeprators get full voting rights [1] within the various schemes they are members of, but do not get voting rights on the ATOC board.
[1] Voting rights in the Ticketing and Settlement Scheme are proportioned to the TOCs income from fares. Voting rights in the individual railcard schemes are based on share of revenues from the use of each railcard.
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Whilst it is valid on Heathrow Connect it is not valid from Hayes & Harlington to Heathrow, this is the same restriction that applies to a London Travelcard.
Ivo
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[apologies to mrcheek for effectively and unintentionally "stealing" your thread]
I would have assumed that Hayes & Harlington to Heathrow bit to be the case.
I would have assumed that Hayes & Harlington to Heathrow bit to be the case.
shinkansen1966
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When travelling on the High Speed One line from London, be sure to take a good look around St Pancras International. If you have not seen it already, you should.
It really restores your faith in the UK's ability to produce first class public service transport and buildings.
It really restores your faith in the UK's ability to produce first class public service transport and buildings.
The main building which was restored is fantastic. What they've done with the undercroft is also great.
The rest of St Pancras? A horrid extension and a very poorly thought out layout, with badly designed signs and an even more awful wall of train arrival/departure boards that must be viewed by walking along or standing miles away from.
All it proves is that we were better at building things in the old days!
The rest of St Pancras? A horrid extension and a very poorly thought out layout, with badly designed signs and an even more awful wall of train arrival/departure boards that must be viewed by walking along or standing miles away from.
All it proves is that we were better at building things in the old days!
shinkansen1966
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The mix of old and new at St Pancras is always going to be controversial. The designers wanted a station to hold both new eurostars and the existing services. It would not be possible to do all of this within the existing Barlow train shed.
Agreed: the undercroft is great. Interestingly, the original plan was to have passengers access the eurostar platforms from above via a mezzanine. Thankfully, the undercroft has been opened up to reveal a wonder area of 800 iron columns.
The wall of departures is a bit over the top. It would easier to group the depatures by the four sets of services which use the station.
Agreed: the undercroft is great. Interestingly, the original plan was to have passengers access the eurostar platforms from above via a mezzanine. Thankfully, the undercroft has been opened up to reveal a wonder area of 800 iron columns.
The wall of departures is a bit over the top. It would easier to group the depatures by the four sets of services which use the station.
Originally the departures were grouped - Eurostar, Midland main line, Thameslink each had a pair of boards for their services, with some spare for South Eastern. They weren't labelled as those groups though, which didn't really help.
From what you say I take it they've changed to a pure chronological listing of departures now?
shinkansen1966
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St Pancras International departure board still grouped, but not labelling.
Mind you, it's good to see just how many places you can visit from St P.
Mind you, it's good to see just how many places you can visit from St P.
I know, and I also know they couldn't have extended the existing structure out (it would have cost a fortune). However, the new design is basic to the extreme - and cold and windy.
When it was snowing, the snow was actually coming in via the side of the new structure and falling down into the undercroft! I mean, come on!
That'll be to appease the heritage types so as not to detract from the (listed) main trainshed.
And that'll be the "vents" so that everyone in the extension doesn't die from the diesel fumes given the limited roof height.
Cheers,
Barry
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shinkansen1966
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Those diesel fumes could be a thing of the past if the Midland Main Line gets electrified...
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