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All different siding types

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Re hot box -where you would detach a vehicle with a hot axle box?
If I’ve got the question right…?

Typically you’d run at reduced speed then split the train behind the affected vehicle, push the front portion back to detach the cripple and then reform what’s left. That could be done from a running line if it wasn’t too busy.
 
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Hot box is a shortening of hot axle box, that’s usually high temperatures in the exterior end of the axle journal and its bearings on a wagon. Signallers used to notice visual indications but electronic detectors do the job for all vehicles nowadays and identify the location too.

The siding was presumably where anything running hot was knocked out of a consist (i.e. removed) for C&W attention (carriage and wagon).
As there are still plenty of trains, carriages, waggons and some locos that don't have on-vehicle axle temperature sensor systems, lineside hot axle box detector (HABD) equipment is still in widespread use. These still sound audible alarms along with a visual display in signal boxes / PSBs / signalling centres.

The modern HABD typically are computer based and the details are displayed on a normal PC LCD monitor for the signaller. This gives the total number of axles on the train, the axle number(s) that were detected to be hot, which side of the train and the type of alarm.

If I’ve got the question right…?

Typically you’d run at reduced speed then split the train behind the affected vehicle, push the front portion back to detach the cripple and then reform what’s left. That could be done from a running line if it wasn’t too busy.

The signaller will stop the train that caused the HABD alarm at the earliest signal that they can put back to red without causing the driver to see a change of aspect (in other words, the driver will get a normal sequence of aspects up to a red). The driver will examine the train once the signaller has stopped all movements on any adjacent lines.

If the driver finds no problems, the train will continue in service. If the driver confirms a problem, the train will proceed at a reduced speed if it is possible to move the train.

Assuming the appropriate staff that can carry out the uncoupling and coupling operations are available, at the first practical location where there is a suitable siding, if it's a freight waggon, the train will be split. The defective waggon(s) will be shunted into the siding. The remaining portions of the train will be recoupled, and it will proceed. And yes, this may well take place on a main running line. As many large freight / goods sidings and depots are mostly long gone.

If the above is not possible or practical, the whole train will get put into a loop or suitable siding until appropriate staff can attend.

Passenger trains typically terminate at a suitable station and then wait for the fitters. Or shunt into a train depot.
 
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At Woking (Down yard) there were, inter alia, Top & Bottom Khyber, Top & Bottom Bridge (the latter aka The Blacksmith), Crook, Coal Pen. There was also the Middle block, a short road next to the Down Local. In the Up Yard is was the Short Block, hard by the ramp of the Up Local Platform. Next to that was The Hurdles.
And also the so-called 'Dead-End' roads (3 to 6) were double ended leading to 3 to 6. Railtrack never got their heads around that (never a problem before them.).
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Someone mentioned "Klondyke" - there was one in the large Neasden LT complex - apart from the obvious reference to the gold rush - there was a suggestion that staff checking empty trains on arrival could become rich on "findings" - highly unlikely I suggest.

Another quirky name was "Dardarnells" (sic) - at Didcot .....
 

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I was wondering if anyone knew or knew where I could find all the different names for types of yards and sidings.
From the top of my head I can think of are reception, sorting, empty, marshalling, departure, recessing, holding and carriage.

There's an interesting BR booklet from 1981 - "The Approved Standard Terminology and Abbreviations for Railway Locations."

It gives an interesting historical snapshot of the official terms then in use (or intended to be standardised), and among the codes / descriptions it has wagon cripple repair siding, wagon holding sidings, network yard, section sidings, terminal complexes, recessing sidings, exchange sidings, reception sidings, parcels marshalling yard and various abbreviations for other railway locations such as TMD, PAD, FLT, CCD and so on.

I don't think the "Network Yard" description really caught on, and I think "terminal complex" was only applied to a few places on the western region (e.g. Margam TC).

You can find a PDF on the railwaycodes website:

http://www.railwaycodes.org.uk/crs/crs0.shtm

About halfway down that page it says

This book, BR catalogue number BR2334 [large file], is a guide to standardised terminology introduced to ensure clarity in describing locations.

It has a link directly to the PDF (about 3MB in size - a scan of the booklet in its original format)
 

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There was a siding in Ipswich Lower Yard - a traffic desert of the highest order until we used it for a year or so as a Freighliner overspill for Felixstowe - roading containers to the docks using otherwise redundant FL motor drivers from Swansea / Leeds etc ...traffic retention till the new container terminal at Walton was commissioned.

Anyway , it was known as the Worcester Road where back in "fully fitted freight" days (see the superb BTF film if you can) - where an important freight was marshalled , despatched for the wider world. .......
 

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There’s the Quay Siding at Llandudno Junction - fairly self-explanatory and probably not the only one across the network (or maybe it is!).
 

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Platform 2c at Sheffield used to be known as the "Cattle Dock".
Even now you get a "D" in the theatre box to take you into it.
 

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Klondyke also can be found in York yards.


Which line in Skipton do you refer to as the Lanky?
As far as I remember all lines in Skipton were removed and relocated in the relay work in 1994
The Lanky Road was relaid and connected to platform 4 in the 1994 remodelling. It could also be described as the Down Carriage Siding....but never is!
 

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There were some lovely names in the past; for example:

Anglo-Continental Guano Works Siding (Silvertown)
Capewell Horse Nail Company Siding (Millwall)
Gigantic Wheel Company Siding (West Kensington)
India-Rubber Gutta-percha & Telegraph Company Siding (Silvertown)
Newington Vestry Siding (Walworth Road)
Longrigg Dross Washers' Siding (Slamannan)
Slaughter Siding (Hereford)
 

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TC - Traffic Concentration, a large marshalling yard like Toton where trains could be dispatched local or further afield and remarshalled as required.

What era was this? The 1981 BR booklet of location terminology has TC defined as "Terminal Complex" -

Sidings tied exclusively to the shunting requirements essential to service sidings at a major terminal or group of terminals
*may also perform a marshalling function for Speedlink trains or sections of trains

The only use of "concentration" (apart from coal concentration depots) I've seen is for "Mansfield Concentration Sidings." In the caption to this rather nice 1976 photo of coal traffic in the sidings, this location is described as "the yard where N Notts coal was gathered for forwarding, principally to ER destinations like Whitemoor and New England yards."
https://www.flickr.com/photos/auchlander/5274519591 (Photo: Auchlander)

I mentioned in post #50 that "Network Yard" and "Terminal Complex" didn't really catch on as names, but looking through freight working timetables from the 1980s, it's noticeable that a lot of yards were either designated as T.C. (Terminal Complex) or S.S. (Section Sidings), the latter defined in the 1981 booklet on location terminology as:

Sidings, the function of which is to form or break down local network wagonload trains to or from one or more Network Yards in order to service by trips, Terminal Complexes, Terminals, Sidings or Departmental Depots in the area

I noted these names from a selection of WTTs dated between 1989 and 1992:

Acton T.C.
Alexandra Dock Jn T.C.
Bescot Down N.Y.
Cambridge T.C.
Cardiff Tidal T.C.
Carlisle N.Y.
Craiginches S.S.
Darlington Up S.S.
Didcot T.C.
Eastleigh N.Y.
East Usk Jn N.Y.
Falkland S.S.
Fratton S.S.
Garston (Speke) T.C.
Gloucester N.Y.
Hither Green Down Recp.
Hoo Jn S.S.
Immingham S.S.
Ipswich S.S.
Laurencekrk F.D.
Llandudno Jn T.C.
Kings Lynn T.C.
Millerhill S.S.
Mossend N.Y.
Northampton T.C. (Down)
Northampton T.C. (Up)
Norwich T.C.
Norwood Down S.S.
Parkeston S.S.
Perth T.C.
Peterborough West S.S.
Plymouth Friary S.S.
Radyr Junction S.S.
Redhill RECP.
Ripple Lane East S.S.
Ripple Lane West S.S.
Salisbury S.S.
Southall T.C.
St Blazey S.S.
Temple Mills S.S.
Thames Haven T.C.
Three Bridges P.A.D.
Tonbridge S.S.
Southampton Up T.C.
Southampton Down T.C.
Stranraer Town F.D.
Swansea Burrows S.S.
Thornton S.S
Tyne N.Y.
Westbury Up T.C.
Westbury Down T.C.
West Drayton T.C.
Whitemoor N.Y.
Woking Down Recp.
Woking Up Yard Recp.

But there are other locations retaining more familiar names in the WTT, e.g.

Ellesmere Port West Sdgs
Ellesmere Port East sdgs
Willesden Brent Sdgs
Toton Old Bank
Toton North Yard

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This changeover to the use of "Terminal Complex" and "Section Sidings" didn't happen straight away after the publication of that 1981 booklet. It appears that these official terms were gradually rolled out during the early 1980s, but I suspect few railwaymen working in these locations regularly used these terms.

I think a term like "Network Yard" for Speedlink was applied in a similar way to the use of a contemporary term like "Local Distribution Centre" for infrastructure traffic. For example, in the 1981 booklet on location terminology, "Doncaster NY" includes West Yard, Up Decoy and Down Decoy. In a similar way, the modern "Doncaster LDC" would include both Up Decoy and Wood Yard (along with Belmont Yard). The individual yards retain their original names in everyday use (and within TOPS / TRUST) even if their official function is as part of Doncaster LDC.

The term "Section Sidings" adds a bit of confusion since the S.S. abbreviation previously meant "Sorting Sidings."

In a May 1982 WTT for the Western region (Section PE), SS is included in the list of abbreviations as "Sorting Sidings," along with YD for Yard, HS for Holding Sidings, RECP for reception sidings and RS for recess siding.

The same WTT for May 1984 expands this list considerably to include NY for Network Yard and TC for Terminal Complex, along with various familiar abbreviations for different types of terminal. SS is included but is now defined as Section Sidings rather than Sorting Sidings. The London Midland region also included a list of abbreviations in their WTTs around the same time, largely matching the terms used in the western region. Other regions didn't seem to bother defining these abbreviations in their WTTs but still followed the same conventions; for example the Eastern region had "Tinsley N.Y" and the southern had "Eastleigh N.Y." and "Hoo Junction S.S."

The RmWeb thread linked below is quite interesting, and one post suggests that the terms "marshalling" and "sorting" fell out of favour for "political reasons" - I assume to avoid the negative association of these terms with the kind of yards that had been closed over recent years, and to introduce new terms that were suggestive of a modern efficient wagonload network.
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/topic/172370-railway-yard-meanings-and-hierarchy/

In any case, the term "Sorting Sidings" was less applicable once hump shunting came to an end, although it survived in the names of some of the signal boxes around Basford Hall, as seen here at Crewe Sorting Sidings North in 1990: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ingythewingy/45154816824/ (Photo: Ingy The Wingy)

The abbreviation "NY" also causes a bit of confusion at Carlisle, since the marshalling yard built at Kingmoor as part of the modernisation plan was already known as the "New Yard." However, Carlisle N.Y. as seen in a WTT from the 1980s onwards means "Network Yard." A 1976 WTT simply refers to it as "Carlisle Yard."
 

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