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Afghanistan by train

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Scooby

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This is a tongue in cheek request, from my four year old daughter, but if the Forum Rules allow it and some people are prepared to 'play the game@, we'd appreciate it


"Daddy, please can we go there on the train sometime ?" says Mini Scooby, whilst watching the news the other night
"Where is that, Mini Scooby?" says Scooby
"Afghanistan !!"
"No" says I, " you can't go to Afghanistan on the train"
"Why not" says Mini Scooby

Which got me thinking
I can't give a proper answer, but I know a place that may be able to help us

So, can you get to Afghanistan by train, and if so, could you give us an idea of itinerary and price ? If not, how close can you get (I'd love any imaginitive routings !)

Its only for fun and I hope that the Forum Rules allow it :lol:
 
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You can get close to Afghanistan by rail, but there aren't any passenger rail services in that country. Looking at Wikipedia, it doesn't look as though there have been many railways built at all in Afghanistan for various reasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_Afghanistan

You could probably get to the northern border by travelling London - Paris, then the Paris - Moscow service & then picking up a train from Moscow to Uzbekistan. An alternative would be to go via Turkey, lake Van & the through train to Tehran (if that still runs), then from Tehran to Pakistan & up to the southern border. Given relations between the UK & Iran at present, I'd not fancy that option (but I bet it would be a fantastic journey).
 

Tim R-T-C

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Well, if nothing else, there is no railroad at all in Afghanistan, only a couple of short spurs. Largely historical - most railways in central Asia were originally built by European colonising powers - either Britain or Russia. Neither had enough influence in Afghanistan for long enough to actually build any lines.

Looks like there might be some coming soon though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_Afghanistan

Edit - beaten to the punch!
 

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If I'm bored tomorrow, I think I'll try and work out an itinery.
 

Scooby

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Thank you for the replies folks, It looks like we won't be takling the train to Afghanistan after all !

Yew, if you are bored, I'd love to see an itinerary -- my daughter and I would then follow it on google earth :lol:
 

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Right, Im slightly bored, so Im going to first see what countries we have to go through. Now we had two proposed routes, the first stage of either of these is london to paris via eurostar. Now once we get to paris, we cna either go via turkey/Iran, or via russia and Kazakhstan.

Looking on google maps, It seems we should try and get to bulgaria first, as then we can either choose to go south to Iran, or east through the Former USSR. A google of 'trains from paris to romania, brings up this site http://www.seat61.com/Romania.htm This then directs us to the Deutsche Bahn webiste.

The next stage is to put a journey in, from London to Bucharest. I have selected a date in mid febuary, as I dont think its feasable to say, I want to go to afganistan today, and you would need at least some planning. this gives the itinery of;

London St. Pancras International
Tu, 13.02.12 dep 16:01 5

Bucuresti P.O.Aeroport Otopeni
We, 14.02.12 arr 08:21

The journey time is 38:20 hours, with 5 changes using services by EST, CNL, RJ, IC, R


Unfortunately, now the planning gets a bit more tricky. So lets get a train to moscow.

The romanian tourist board helps us here, with this website http://www.romaniatourism.com/Schedule-of-trains-from-Romania.html#russia

  • Bucharest (Bucuresti Nord) to Moscow (Moskva Kievskaja)
  • Train D402 / not daily
  • Schedule: Dep. 7:10 p.m. - Arr. 4:23 p.m. (second day arrival)
  • Travel time: 44:13
  • Train change: 1
  • Via: Bucharest, Buzau, Iasi, Chisinau(transfer to D47CH), Kiev, Moscow

Now to get to kazakhstan, fortunately seat61 has some help for us, he even gets us to tashkent in Uzbekistan http://www.seat61.com/SilkRoute.htm#Moscow - Tashkent

Moscow ► Tashkent

Tashkent ► Moscow
The "Uzbekistan" Train 6
Moscow (Kazanski station) depart 23:25 Mon, Wed, Fri
Yaisan (Russia/Kazakhstan frontier) arrive 10:36 Wed, Fri, Sun
Tashkent (Uzbekistan entry point) arrive 19:05 Thur, Sat, Mon

Now since It shares a border with Afganistan, thats the closest im getting. So overall, to get to Tashkent at 19:05 on monday the 20th feb, you would have to depart on the 13th at 16.01. so that is 147:04 hours using 8 trains, and probably a frew busses for cross city transfers). The sleeper from moscow to tashkent would cost £295. an EUrail global pass would cost €625 (and give lots of extra validity) however I cant get a price for the train from Romania to moscow.

Looking back, there seems to be another route, London - Paris, Paris - Moscow (on the transeuropean express) and then the Moscow-Tashkent.

A standard class single on eurostar is £179 (unless you get an advance)
A standard class single on the transeuropean express costs around £330
And a standard class single from moscow to tashkent costs around £295

This gives a total of £794 each way for this alternative route. It would take a little less time aswell (maybe 12 hours)
 
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It’s actually quite simple to get cross-Europe (and beyond) journey plans thanks to the pioneering work done by the University of Karlsruhe in Germany. There work led to Hafas, the computer system that contains all trains in Europe and towards Asia. Hafas is the program used by Deutsche Bahn (and other European railways) as the platform for on line railway timetables.

That’s the history, now back to the point.

I believe Termez (aka Termes) to be the closest passenger railhead to Afghanistan

Just go to Bahn.de (the DB web site) and input London to Termes.

http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/qu...3.1324376555&rt=1&newrequest=yes&&country=GBR

You will see that you would have grand start at St Pancras International. The end of the journey might be less so…

Quickest journey time appears to be 131 hours with nine changes of train.


There is railway track across the Afghan border from Kushka (Turkmenistan). It is visible on Google Earth. It has never had a passenger service and it looks as though the line on the Turkmen side no longer has (if it ever had) a passenger service.
 

Scooby

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Thank you all so much for taking the time to respond to my daughters question. Tomight we're going to take her globe and trace the route, and weigh up which way she would prefer to go.
a 1p bet says that it will be out one way and back the other !
 
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