Adwick (South Yorkshire) the forgotten station?

[northwichcat]

I've heard a suggestion (which may or may not be true) being that most Doncaster-Leeds services will be operated by 333s once the new CAF EMUs are in service and also that one of the 3 car CAF EMUs might operate a Adwick-Doncaster shuttle service. This made me think there are probably hundreds of posts on this forum complaining about DMUs running to Hazel Grove but I don't think I've seen any complaints about DMUs under the wires between Adwick and Doncaster. Why is this?

 

[brompton rail]

I've heard a suggestion (which may or may not be true) being that most Doncaster-Leeds services will be operated by 333s once the new CAF EMUs are in service and also that one of the 3 car CAF EMUs might operate a Adwick-Doncaster shuttle service. This made me think there are probably hundreds of posts on this forum complaining about DMUs running to Hazel Grove but I don't think I've seen any complaints about DMUs under the wires between Adwick and Doncaster. Why is this?

The Adwick trains from Doncaster form part of a through Sheffield to Adwick service to meet the requirements of SYPTE. Many daytime services carry quite a few passengers across Doncaster. The trains run to Adwick because it is the last station in South Yorkshire and has turn back facilities (even if these block the Adwick to Stainforth line for a while each hour). Scunthorpe to Sheffield services also run through Doncaster for the same reasons.

Now ideally the stoppers between Sheffield and Doncaster would run into platform 5 at Doncaster and terminate. Then Adwick services could use platform 6 or 7; and Scunthorpe stoppers would terminate in platform 0, like the Hull stoppers will. Platform 0 is on the east side and terminating trains do not block platforms 1 or 3. Similarly platforms 4 and 8 would be freed up by splitting this group of services at Doncaster.

Adwick stoppers would, of course be much better if they became a Leeds - Doncaster electric stopping service on the alternative half hour to the existing Doncaster - Leeds stoppers. However, I think it unlikely that the PTEs (WY & SY) would agree to this.

Platform 0 is due to open for Christmas, but there is a great deal of work to be done yet, in particular the lifts and bridge connecting platform 0 with platform 1 and the rest of the station.

 

[northwichcat]

The Adwick trains from Doncaster form part of a through Sheffield to Adwick service to meet the requirements of SYPTE. Many daytime services carry quite a few passengers across Doncaster. The trains run to Adwick because it is the last station in South Yorkshire and has turn back facilities (even if these block the Adwick to Stainforth line for a while each hour). Scunthorpe to Sheffield services also run through Doncaster for the same reasons.

It's a similar situation with Hazel Grove services but that doesn't stop the frequent complaints about DMUs running to Hazel Grove.

 

[Kite159]

It's a similar situation with Hazel Grove services but that doesn't stop the frequent complaints about DMUs running to Hazel Grove.

Although unlike Hazel Grove which currently sees a very limited number of EMUs, Adwick's wires are used by the 321/322 Doncaster - Leeds stoppers, plus by some 91s.

In an ideal world the Adwick terminators would carry on to Leeds either as a semifast from Fitzwilliam or as another stopper, pending on paths with late running VT services

 

[northwichcat]

Although unlike Hazel Grove which currently sees a very limited number of EMUs, Adwick's wires are used by the 321/322 Doncaster - Leeds stoppers, plus by some 91s.

That's actually incorrect there are no booked 323 services to Hazel Grove anymore. While a very small number of services to Hazel Grove operate completely under the wires, they are part of the same diagrams as services to/from Buxton or Chester so have to diesel services.

 

[Kite159]

That's actually incorrect there are no booked 323 services to Hazel Grove anymore. While a very small number of services to Hazel Grove operate completely under the wires, they are part of the same diagrams as services to/from Buxton or Chester so have to diesel services.

I stand corrected, through there used to be some peak-time extra 323 services from Oxford Road towards Hazel Grove calling at most (if not all) stops.

Just another station which has wires but sees no electrics stopping (similar to Chester-le-Street, and the smaller stations north of Newcastle)

 

[northwichcat]

I stand corrected, through there used to be some peak-time extra 323 services from Oxford Road towards Hazel Grove calling at most (if not all) stops.

There hasn't been enough 323s to run any to Hazel Grove at peak times since December 2008 when the additional Piccadilly-Airport service started and the Stoke enhancements started. There was 1 x 323 working to Hazel Grove in the December 2008 timetable which was after the end of the evening peak which I think did Piccadilly-Hazel Grove and then Hazel Grove-Longsight ECS.

 

[AWK]

Not forgotten by me!

How will electric units work the shuttle, the current line used to turn round/hold the DMUs isn't electrified is it?, so only solution would be to use the cross-over to the north of the station then occupy the Doncaster bound platform which I doubt is possible due to conflicts with VTEC services?

AWK

 

[Grumpy]

The Adwick trains from Doncaster form part of a through Sheffield to Adwick service to meet the requirements of SYPTE. Many daytime services carry quite a few passengers across Doncaster.

Now ideally the stoppers between Sheffield and Doncaster would run into platform 5 at Doncaster and terminate. Then Adwick services could use platform 6 or 7; .

Adwick stoppers would, of course be much better if they became a Leeds - Doncaster electric stopping service on the alternative half hour to the existing Doncaster - Leeds stoppers. However, I think it unlikely that the PTEs (WY & SY) would agree to this.

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If the service carries quite a few passengers across Doncaster I don't see why it would be ideal to terminate it at Doncaster.

The Sheffield-Moorthorpe-Leeds sevice already provides an alternative half hour to the existing Doncaster-Leeds stoppers. Admittedly they don't serve Adwick but I cant see demand from Adwick alone justifying additional trains