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Advice needed regarding 17 year old caught travelling on a child ticket

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Andrea

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Hi - can I have some general advice please
My son was travelling on a child ticket incorrectly ( not deliberate ) he's 17
He was stopped and asked to buy a full price ticket which he did there and then - he tells me the train company employee also took his details and said he would be contacted - I don't know what train company it was he didn't get any paper work or anything so I am unsure what is happening and what are the next steps or the best advice to make sure it doesn't go to court - can anyone help please
 
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DaveNewcastle

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Hi

First let me re-assure you. If there was nothing else untoward about the incident * , then there is negligible chance that this would go anywhere near a Court without there being some correspondence beforehand, at which point you would have a clearer understanding of what offence has been alleged, and by whom; and probably some indication of the costs incurred. But all of that is just a future possibility at present.
From what you have written here, it may simply be that your son's name has been put on a list so that repeat offenders can be easily distinguished from one-off, first-time 'mistakes'.

Would that happen, then being under 18, he would be dealt with under the youth justice system, (unless he turns 18 in the meantime), and so the parents will have to be involved.

Perhaps there will be some correspondence, and if so, it would probably allow for the possibility of reaching an administrative settlement without going forward to a prosecution. Obviously, you would be advised to take up that offer.


* I mention the posssibility of there being more to the story only because it does happen from time to time that a young person has found a way of getting on well with their family which includes an element of telling them what they think the relatives want to hear (an unfortunate skill which they seem to learn from observing adult interactions!), and that they have learnt about 'spin' and how manipulative people only have to present part of the truth to influence others to support them (sadly, also aquired from adults). The upshot of this is that some young people detected doing something wrong for the first time may well argue that it was a one-off, and a mistake, but on closer examination, there can be evidence of repeatedly trying whatever it was. Please don't take this as criticism of you - or yor son - I only want you to be prepared if an Investigating Officer suspects that an adult doesn't travel on a child ticket 'by mistake', and so checks to see if there is any evidence of having made any previous 'mistakes' of this kind.

Hope this helps, and sorry to raise doubts.
 
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DasLunatic

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First things first, welcome to the forum!

We need to know where he was travelling to and from and on which TOC. We also need to know if he's tried anything similar in the past (from what you've told me, he could be a serial offender - we don't have enough infomation).

However, being asked to supply details after being given a valid ticket seems slightly abnormal - does anyone know of TOCs which do this...?
 

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Thanks for your replies I really appreciate it - definitely never done anything like this - he was going from Swindon to Coventry
I thought it was odd there were three of them they all bought full price tickets ( I have it so I know ) they didn't even get the train as by the time the guy had finished they missed the train so my husband had to drive to collect them
 

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Just worth saying that IF they bought adult Anytime tickets AND didn't actually travel they are entitled to a refund less admin charge £10. Whether they wish to pursue the matter given the circumstances is up to them...
 

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So he had bought a Child ticket and also a full-price (adult) ticket, and didn't use either for travel? Hmmm. Hard to see that proceeding to Court.

Technically, there is an offence of attempting to travel without previously paid his (correct) fare [RoRA S.5 (3)(a)], and this was attempted, but as the error was regularised before boarding (which in the event didn't happen), it would be hard to see this incident being pursued as a Prosecution.

I'm even more inclined towards my first guess, which was that his name is used to identify those young adult passengers who repeatedly travel on 'Child' ticket (of which there are many).
 

Andrea

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Thanks very much for this - I really appreciate it if we were going to get a letter or fine etc and worse case summons any idea how long the timeframe is before he would hear anything
I do think they were trying to scare saying "going home in a police car etc " so hoping that this is a note on a file in case he ever did this again ( which he wouldn't )
 

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Don`t want to say any more than DaveNewcastle has rightly pointed out only that hopefully a lesson learnt without any more serious repercussions.
 
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