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Accounting for Permits to Travel.
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Quorn Chris
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The numbers on the PTT only relate to how many have been sold from that particular machine and as far as I'm aware they're not used for accounting purposes. Money taken in the Pertis machine should tally with PTT 's collected, and if there's more in the Pertis, then it's all profit....
The numbers on the PTT only relate to how many have been sold from that particular machine and as far as I'm aware they're not used for accounting purposes. Money taken in the Pertis machine should tally with PTT 's collected, and if there's more in the Pertis, then it's all profit....
Or all loss, depending on what way you look at it, as it means the PTT hasn't been exchanged for a ticket...
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At Hythe, Essex there's a pertis machine. It doesn't justify putting in an S & B due to vandalism, theft etc. At one time there was another machine next to the Pertis, which looked just like it, but it had a 'knob' that you turned to choose Destination and Single, Return etc, and it would print print on Pertis ticket stock. Any ideas what this machine was called? Can't remember!
It got broken into so many times they took it out for good last year or 2 years ago.
When the S & B machines replaced the Quickfare amchines the Pertis machines only lasted a year after. On the Great Eastern patch we used to turn the Pertis on when we closed the ticket office and off when we opened the ticket office.
All the Pertis machines got taken over by NCP to use as car park machines!!
It got broken into so many times they took it out for good last year or 2 years ago.
When the S & B machines replaced the Quickfare amchines the Pertis machines only lasted a year after. On the Great Eastern patch we used to turn the Pertis on when we closed the ticket office and off when we opened the ticket office.
All the Pertis machines got taken over by NCP to use as car park machines!!
Quorn Chris
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Or all loss, depending on what way you look at it, as it means the PTT hasn't been exchanged for a ticket...
If a PTT hasn't been exchanged for a ticket the railway still wins, as the customer is still out of pocket.....
The numbers on the PTT only relate to how many have been sold from that particular machine and as far as I'm aware they're not used for accounting purposes. Money taken in the Pertis machine should tally with PTT 's collected, and if there's more in the Pertis, then it's all profit....
Not quite true, your finance dept won't actually be that bothered with tallying up how many were sold to how many booking offices/rpis have exchanged.
What they will be interested in is the number of the ticket that comes out when it gets emptied. It should be the next number up from the last time it was emptied, if not then there should be an investigation as someone could be stealing from it.
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If a PTT hasn't been exchanged for a ticket the railway still wins, as the customer is still out of pocket.....
Again that's not true either. If one has not been exchanged then it is more than likely the customer who has won and the railway out of pocket.
5p PTT for a 10 pound journey.
You do the maths
Here's a crazy thought.
If all TVMs are connected these days, you could have a modern PTT that doesn't require any cash - but serves as a proof of where you boarded, and when.
It could print the station name, date and a code(s) that tell staff the status of machines/ticket office at the station.. thus telling a RPI if all TVMs were out of order, the ticket office was closed, whether TVMs were only able to take cards or whatever.
Should a passenger require a ticket that can't be obtained from a TVM, they could also get a permit (which could be printed at any time) before travel to do away with a lot of arguments later on.
With no cash involved, they'd not be at risk in the same way. The same modern PTT machine, obviously being connected, would itself be able to report when it is out of service so RPIs could easily verify, as well as the TOC knowing to go and fix it.
Backed up with posters/signs and an advertising campaign, you'd soon get everyone aware that if they enter a station without a ticket they must have a permit. I'd seek to have them issued at every station in the country!
With smartcards, the same machine could perhaps store the data that would be printed on a paper permit on the smartcard instead.
If all TVMs are connected these days, you could have a modern PTT that doesn't require any cash - but serves as a proof of where you boarded, and when.
It could print the station name, date and a code(s) that tell staff the status of machines/ticket office at the station.. thus telling a RPI if all TVMs were out of order, the ticket office was closed, whether TVMs were only able to take cards or whatever.
Should a passenger require a ticket that can't be obtained from a TVM, they could also get a permit (which could be printed at any time) before travel to do away with a lot of arguments later on.
With no cash involved, they'd not be at risk in the same way. The same modern PTT machine, obviously being connected, would itself be able to report when it is out of service so RPIs could easily verify, as well as the TOC knowing to go and fix it.
Backed up with posters/signs and an advertising campaign, you'd soon get everyone aware that if they enter a station without a ticket they must have a permit. I'd seek to have them issued at every station in the country!
With smartcards, the same machine could perhaps store the data that would be printed on a paper permit on the smartcard instead.
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