About SZ Stadler FLIRT/KISS order

[Stephen Lee]

Knowing that ŠZ had ordered KISS and Flirt with the latter in both DE/Electric variant, assume they are gonna replace the old DMUs/EMUs, and the Electric Flirts are suited for operation to Austria

and Croatia

so I wonder which route the
1. DE Flirt
2. Electric Flirt
3. KISS
will first serve once enter service
And if the Electric Flirts may replace loco haul trains between

/

and

 

[Richard Scott]

Oh well, that'll be another country off the list of places worth visiting!

 

[superalbs]

Oh well, that'll be another country off the list of places worth visiting!

And 2020 was meant to be when I visited...

 

[Richard Scott]

And 2020 was meant to be when I visited...

Me too!

 

[Austriantrain]

Oh well, that'll be another country off the list of places worth visiting!

And another country where people might actually choose to use the train, instead of only enduring it if they have no other option.

 

[Stephen Lee]

Knowing that ŠZ had ordered KISS and Flirt with the latter in both DE/Electric variant, assume they are gonna replace the old DMUs/EMUs, and the Electric Flirts are suited for operation to Austria

and Croatia

so I wonder which route the
1. DE Flirt
2. Electric Flirt
3. KISS
will first serve once enter service
And if the Electric Flirts may replace loco haul trains between

/

and

Anyone have ideas?

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Me too!

There’s still plenty of old stuff in Slovenia for now

 

[Richard Scott]

There’s still plenty of old stuff in Slovenia for now

I appreciate that but when will we be able to get out there? At this rate it'll be gone!

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

Anyone have ideas?

Graz-Maribor-Ljubljana-Trieste/Udine would seem the obvious one.
Villach-Ljubljana-Zagreb another.

 

[Stephen Lee]

I heard that the 713/15-1s will also be withdrawn after the new fleet enter service, is it true???

Graz-Maribor-Ljubljana-Trieste/Udine would seem the obvious one.
Villach-Ljubljana-Zagreb another.

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Graz-Maribor-Ljubljana-Trieste/Udine would seem the obvious one.
Villach-Ljubljana-Zagreb another.

Villach-Ljubljana-Zagreb
EC 212/213 Mimara

D(ÖBB)/ EC (SŽ)/ B(HŽPP) 210/211 Sava​

D (ÖBB) / MV (SŽ) 314/315​

what about Graz-Maribor-Ljubljana-Trieste/Udine

 

[HamworthyGoods]

I heard that the 713/15-1s will also be withdrawn after the new fleet enter service, is it true???


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Villach-Ljubljana-Zagreb
EC 212/213 Mimara

D(ÖBB)/ EC (SŽ)/ B(HŽPP) 210/211 Sava​

D (ÖBB) / MV (SŽ) 314/315​

what about Graz-Maribor-Ljubljana-Trieste/Udine

EC212/213 unlikely to change from its current formation as it is detached from a Frankfurt to Kalgenfurt service at Villach.

 

[Stephen Lee]

EC212/213 unlikely to change from its current formation as it is detached from a Frankfurt to Kalgenfurt service at Villach.

what about the others and you mentioned about Graz-Maribor-Ljubljana-Trieste/Udine...............

 

[Austriantrain]

what about the others and you mentioned about Graz-Maribor-Ljubljana-Trieste/Udine...............

As far as I understand it, the FLIRTs are for regional services, so it is unlikely long-distance services will be changed over.

Some Graz - Maribor services might be a possibility I guess, as well as other cross-border regional services.

 

[30907]

what about the others and you mentioned about Graz-Maribor-Ljubljana-Trieste/Udine...............

The only services ATM are through from Vienna, can't see those changing.

 

[43096]

The only services ATM are through from Vienna, can't see those changing.

I think I read somewhere that Zidani Most-Maribor-Spielfeld Strass is being/has been upgraded to take heavier vehicles and that this now allows SZ 541s up there. More likely, then, that the through service from Vienna will at some point go over to SZ 541 or ÖBB 1216.1 throughout; though I note that the through service from Vienna (EC150/151) is currently booked for a GySEV Taurus to Spielfeld-Strass.

 

[30907]

I think I read somewhere that Zidani Most-Maribor-Spielfeld Strass is being/has been upgraded to take heavier vehicles and that this now allows SZ 541s up there. More likely, then, that the through service from Vienna will at some point go over to SZ 541 or ÖBB 1216.1 throughout; though I note that the through service from Vienna (EC150/151) is currently booked for a GySEV Taurus to Spielfeld-Strass.

And the Zagreb train gets a 1116 - both being booked for 1144 last year. The Taurus may be hired in, or there may be some distance equalisation involved (MAV locos do/did internal Austrian duties for this reason).

 

[43096]

The Taurus may be hired in, or there may be some distance equalisation involved (MAV locos do/did internal Austrian duties for this reason).

I suspect the distance equalisation. They have to be careful where they use the MAV and GySEV locos as I don't think they have LZB fitted, so the choice of route is restricted (any diagram involving the Westbahn is out), which is why the MAV locos are used out of Wien FJB. The MAV locos used to have some extensive turns deep into Austria - I've had them on Innsbruck/Wörgl to Salzburg regional express workings, for example: all diagrammed, too!

 

[Wolfie]

There’s still plenty of old stuff in Slovenia for now

Strangely enough the Slovene authorities are probably more interested in providing a decent rail service to the population than spotting opportunities for foreign enthusiasts.

 

[Stephen Lee]

I think I read somewhere that Zidani Most-Maribor-Spielfeld Strass is being/has been upgraded to take heavier vehicles and that this now allows SZ 541s up there. More likely, then, that the through service from Vienna will at some point go over to SZ 541 or ÖBB 1216.1 throughout; though I note that the through service from Vienna (EC150/151) is currently booked for a GySEV Taurus to Spielfeld-Strass.

As far as I understand it, the FLIRTs are for regional services, so it is unlikely long-distance services will be changed over.

Some Graz - Maribor services might be a possibility I guess, as well as other cross-border regional services.

What about Villach - Jesenice - Ljubljana?

 

[Austriantrain]

What about Villach - Jesenice - Ljubljana?

The Austrian plans post-Koralm and Semmering tunnel include a two-hourly service there, but coming from Munich or from Vienna (possibly alternating). So definitively long-distance sets (Railjet, DB, SZ).

Of course, this could change and Slovenia might have different ideas.

 

[185]

About 20 years ago, I visited SZ for the first time, expecting a collection of square wheeled USSR flintstones trains....

First train, from Maribor... brand new Pendolino. Spent the night in Ljubljana.

Second train, their daily Venice service.... another brand new Pendolino.

 

[superalbs]

About 20 years ago, I visited SZ for the first time, expecting a collection of square wheeled USSR flintstones trains....

First train, from Maribor... brand new Pendolino. Spent the night in Ljubljana.

Second train, their daily Venice service.... another brand new Pendolino.

They have a fleet of 3x three car non-tilt Pendolinos, with somewhat strange interiors. Quite cool!

 

[Austriantrain]

They have a fleet of 3x three car non-tilt Pendolinos, with somewhat strange interiors. Quite cool!

They do tilt. At least they used to, maybe they had to turn it off, but tilt was the entire point of buying them, since the Ljubljana - Maribor main line is not very straight at all.