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Hey, I haven’t seen any threads regarding the ART scheme in Aberdeen, so I thought I’d make a thread with regards to it

The irzair ie tram demo has been about the town this week, anybody had a chance to see it? If so what’s your thoughts?
 
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Simon75

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Hey, I haven’t seen any threads regarding the ART scheme in Aberdeen, so I thought I’d make a thread with regards to it

The irzair ie tram demo has been about the town this week, anybody had a chance to see it? If so what’s your thoughts?
Isnt it basically like a bendy bendy, a bit like in Belfast?
 

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It look awfully familiar. I'm Sure First would like to have a word about that scheme... Ftr, it never worked then why would it work now?
 

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It look awfully familiar. I'm Sure First would like to have a word about that scheme... Ftr, it never worked then why would it work now?
A decent bendy-bus with a fancy name can relatively easily be implemented compared to mass transit and is a highly noticeable change by passengers, so it's a great tool for local politicians to use in order to say they're doing something ambitious about transport in their area. The fact that it isn't a tram, and therefore won't bring the benefits of a tram (despite costing close to the amount of a typical new-build European tram line) is less important as the real goal is just to get an IE tram (bendy bus) in a headline then carry on with everyday political matters.
 

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It look awfully familiar. I'm Sure First would like to have a word about that scheme... Ftr, it never worked then why would it work now?
First would have a word about anything, but that is largely because they are incompetent and they have spent years demonstrating an ability to make even good ideas underperform. Branding, bus priority, bus rapid transit, you name it. At some point, the common denominator has to be acknowledged. They simply have not built the credibility needed to convince people they can consistently deliver their side of these schemes.

That said, while tram style buses are not necessarily the best use of money, the concept can work. Glider (in Belfast) is generally regarded as a success and shows that fake trams can attract passengers when it is backed by the right infrastructure, frequencies and operational standards.

The real question is not whether the concept works. It is whether the operator can make it work. If the same issues around service delivery, frequency remain, then no amount of branding or vehicle design will change the outcome. First has shown that you could give them dedicated busways that allow vehicles to teleport across the city and they would still find a way to run an underwhelming frequency for the context of the market they are serving.
 

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That said, while tram style buses are not necessarily the best use of money, the concept can work. Glider (in Belfast) is generally regarded as a success and shows that fake trams can attract passengers when it is backed by the right infrastructure, frequencies and operational standards.
Glider cost roughly a third of what the ART is planned to cost. If you can get a BRT scheme up and running for under £100M, I agree that it's a good use of money. But cities on the continent build trams for £300-500M (e.g. Liege for €430M in 2025), which bring loads of benefits that buses disguised as trams don't bring (e.g. speed, capacity, simple operations, cheaper to run in the long-term, plus its permanence which spurs development on roads around the tramway unlike a bus that can be cut back at any point), so when a BRT scheme costs the same amount, something's either gone really wrong or it's just not the right choice for that city.
 
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