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Abandonment by rail replacement bus

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mikeg

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On the 25th October, passengers headed to Thirsk on the last TPE service back to Newcastle were asked to travel to Northallerton and change onto the rail replacement bus back to Thirsk, this itinerary was given on all the journey planners despite no formal doubleback easement in the routeing guide, so I believe it to be valid. However, the train was running late enough that I missed the rail replacement bus. Knowing there were going to be issues I phoned TPE customer service who suggested I get a 'back on track' form from the guard and pay for a taxi, then claim it back. Is that the best they could do? What are other TOC's procedures when they know a passenger is about to be stranded? I wouldn't always have enough to pay for a taxi, let alone be able to source one - which can be difficult at short notice at that time from Northallerton. Luckily I was able to get a lift from my mother, who gave the other stranded passenger a lift.

For what it's worth, surely holding the rail replacement bus would have made more sense, as there was no other service for it to connect with after it had taken us back to Thirsk.

I emailed TPE about the response regarding this (I put in a separate delay repay for another journey at the same time, perhaps a mistake) and all they had to say was:

Thank you for contacting TransPennine Express, I am sorry to learn the circumstances that have caused you to get in touch.
In regards to your ‘back on track’ claim you would have to send your form to claimback@firstgroup.com and they will sort that for you, unfortunately I cannot do this myself.
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... before addressing my separate delay repay
Of course I shall be contacting the said email address myself, not that I suppose I'm due anything having not got a taxi, but there is nothing that suggests lessons have been learnt. Incidentally, what chance do you think I have of at least receiving some petrol money to pay my mother? And how should I phrase the email. It does seem they've washed their hands of it rather. Also would it be worth contacting the rail replacement bus company (I didn't see the bus as it had gone, but it's usually John Smith's?)
 
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seems a little strange not to hold the bus.

Getting a cab that late in Northallerton should be fun!

Tell me about it! Once thought I'd be able to get one on a separate occasion not due to the railway's fault (the last train to Thirsk on a Saturday is rather early so I went to Northallerton thinking I could get a cab) - I ended up walking back to Thirsk, took almost three hours! Luckily I got a lift on this occasion, but I wonder why if they couldn't hold the bus they didn't procure the taxi themselves. Seems pretty poor to be honest.
 

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I'm surprised by this; it seems a bit "best endeavours" by TPE. Don't the TOCs have some sort of safeguarding responsibility?
 

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Buses may not always be held due to driver hours, etc, in which case a taxi should be arranged.

The passenger should not be stranded or out of pocket except in extremely exceptional cases where all other avenues have been explored.
 

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Should passengers be expected to carry cash, a mobile phone (given the lack of phone boxes at some stations) and a list of local taxi firms' numbers just in case they are stranded?
 

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Should passengers be expected to carry cash, a mobile phone (given the lack of phone boxes at some stations) and a list of local taxi firms' numbers just in case they are stranded?

My thoughts exactly, expecting people to pay for taxis and claim the fare back later when they've already paid for a train ticket is totally unacceptable.
 

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Should passengers be expected to carry cash, a mobile phone (given the lack of phone boxes at some stations) and a list of local taxi firms' numbers just in case they are stranded?

If you are travelling a long distance it is a good idea to have a backup, yes. Simple prudence. Things can and do go wrong.

That doesn't mean TPE didn't handle this badly, of course.
 

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If you are travelling a long distance it is a good idea to have a backup, yes. Simple prudence. Things can and do go wrong.

That doesn't mean TPE didn't handle this badly, of course.

Maybe but once you've bought the ticket surely the train operator has entered a contract to get you to your destination?
 

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Maybe but once you've bought the ticket surely the train operator has entered a contract to get you to your destination?

They have, but it's often useful to be able to buy yourself out of a problem and pursue a refund later. So, provided you can afford it, it is prudent to carry backup funds in some form.

It's like locking your front door. You should be able to leave it open, because morally nobody should nick your stuff. But it is prudent to lock your front door, because sometimes thieves are on the prowl.
 

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Maybe but once you've bought the ticket surely the train operator has entered a contract to get you to your destination?


Indeed but if the option is to hang about waiting for someone to sort something out for you or get in there in advance and prebiotic a cab to ensure you get home safe in the knowledge you can claim your fare back - I know what I'd do so I always have a card and cash on me if travelling on a last train home.
 

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Buses may not always be held due to driver hours, etc, in which case a taxi should be arranged.

The passenger should not be stranded or out of pocket except in extremely exceptional cases where all other avenues have been explored.

it is hard enough getting one of the 4 cabs in Northallerton during office hours. Almost impossible without a pre booking after hours. I had an issue with needing a cab to get to hospital after a relative was taken in due to an emergency. I couldn't get one from Northallerton and ended up paying over the odds for one to drive down from Darlo and take me back there!

For those that don't know Northallerton it is a small, one horse, market town in North Yorkshire. It doesn't have battalions of cabs and mini cabs like you see in London or bigger towns or anything like uber. Bus hahahaha. No cab? You walk..............
 

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it is hard enough getting one of the 4 cabs in Northallerton during office hours. Almost impossible without a pre booking after hours. I had an issue with needing a cab to get to hospital after a relative was taken in due to an emergency. I couldn't get one from Northallerton and ended up paying over the odds for one to drive down from Darlo and take me back there!

For those that don't know Northallerton it is a small, one horse, market town in North Yorkshire. It doesn't have battalions of cabs and mini cabs like you see in London or bigger towns or anything like uber. Bus hahahaha. No cab? You walk..............
From the TOC's perspective, if a cab needs to be brought in from somewhere like Darlo or York, then that is what will need to happen.

We've had to bring cabs in from elsewhere during times of shortage. Nothing new here.
 

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From the TOC's perspective, if a cab needs to be brought in from somewhere like Darlo or York, then that is what will need to happen.

We've had to bring cabs in from elsewhere during times of shortage. Nothing new here.

I know they will. It will just be a bigger ball ache at some stations!
 

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From the TOC's perspective, if a cab needs to be brought in from somewhere like Darlo or York, then that is what will need to happen.

The problem is that it didn't happen. And, in my experience, this isn't particularly uncommon with TPE.
 

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Indeed badly handled and a cab should have been arranged, it is probable that there was no way to contact the bus driver to tell him to wait.
 

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The problem is that it didn't happen. And, in my experience, this isn't particularly uncommon with TPE.
In which case, a complaint would need to be lodged in the aftermath as it is not acceptable to leave a customer stranded without very good reasons.

If needed be, this would also need escalating higher if it cannot be satisfactorily resolved.
 

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I always go as far to take a change of clothing plus a toothbrush etc just in case things really go pear shaped and I have to seek overnight accommodation. And let's be fair - there have been some mega delays on the network recently - you only have to think of last Sunday on the ECML
 

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Wouldn't the TOCs have account facilities with local cab companies thus could arrange to book one that way? I'm sure I've heard of them being used to get drivers to/from obscure locations late at nigbt.
 

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Wouldn't the TOCs have account facilities with local cab companies thus could arrange to book one that way? I'm sure I've heard of them being used to get drivers to/from obscure locations late at nigbt.

Good point. I imagine thst would work out cheaper for the TOC than the stranded passenger paying for a taxi himself and claiming it back too.

All (?) stations have a help point so if the passenger used that to contact the TOC who booked the taxi on their account my earlier point about carrying cash, phone and taxi numbers would be negated.
 
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The normal course of action in this situation would be for control to contact the company they use to arrange the taxis for train crew transport. They would in turn contact the nearest local taxi company they had an account with and get one or more taxis sent. This may take considerably longer to arrive than the customer booking their own taxi, but it would guarantee they wouldn't personally incur any charges.

It would be the same procedure if the last coach of the evening was full, there were ticket holders unable to get a seat and there were no standby coaches in the area with enough driving hours to duplicate the service.
 

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If this is the usual replacement TPE do for Thirsk, to my understanding they will book one bus to do Thirsk to Northallerton to connect northbound, and then also do Northallerton back to Thirsk for passengers on the service (note there is no Northallerton to Thirsk service for this to cover).

Pretty poor show tbf, if a preplanned bus hasn't got enough time in it to be held to connect with a late running train, which it seems was only 23 late arriving - not exactly earth shatteringly late!

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y02589/2017/10/25/advanced
 
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