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I was 22 years old and in college when I made my first overseas trip from Chicago to London as part of a College overseas program. Our group stayed at 34 Harrington Gardens near the Gloucester road tube station. At this point in my life I had ridden every Amtrak route in the USA, some more than once, and was quite familiar with the details along the routes. So the United Kingdom was an exotic, anticipated experience for me. I had no idea what to expect. The guide books talked about the Intercity 125 services and then some services to tourism spots around London. I read Britain by Britrail front to back several times trying to figure out how to ride as many routes as possible. Since it was designed for people using trains to get from point A to B, it helped me understand how to buy tickets and seat reservations and that eating in a dining car was to be put on the to do list. But that was about it.

The day of the trip arrived and I boarded the TWA 747 from ORD to LHR. This was my first overseas flight. I was seated by the window. The 8 hours seemed an eternity, and my rear end was numb from the sitting. I was hesitant to get up because the know it all girl on the aisle seat acted annoyed every time I got up to use the bathroom. I already did not like her. We landed at Heathrow and walked and walked to get to Immigrations and customs. I was fascinated by seeing Jets from different corners of the world. Then our group was loaded onto a coach for the drive into London. On the way into London, I napped from Jet lag. When I woke up the British Chaperone with her wonderful accent noted that I had a "bit of jet lag."

After we settled in and were allowed freedom to do what we want, I set off on my first tube ride. The goal was to obtain a national time table. I had carefully plotted my ride on the circle line from Gloucester road to Victoria station which was the closest major station with a tourist office and a booking office a month before I left the United States. The tube system was wonderfully complex and different from the 5 or 6 mundane subway and elevated lines in Chicago. I got off at Victoria station, and found the information booth. I asked for a National time table. I wanted a pamphlet like the one Amtrak issued a few times a year. Amtrak's pamphlet was about 80 pages in total for the entire country. The agent wanted to know my destination. I explained I wanted the NATIONAL timetable with a map in it. I believed in the moment that the person was being officious like Amtrak employees and giving me what he though I needed rather than what I wanted. He sighed, bent over, and then plopped this huge book on the counter. It was the size of a large cities telephone book back in the states. 3 pounds 50 he said. In my mind I said, "Holy crap, 7 bucks for a dang train schedule, that is expensive." A system map was sitting on top of the book and I wanted that map and book. So my second purchase in London was the time table, the first being my monthly student tube pass which I would use for the month I was in London before I set off on an 8 day rail pass.

I got back to the tube station and rode back to Gloucester Road. I came up out of the tube station and started looking around. I could not orient myself. I was three blocks from 34 Harrington Gardens, and I did not have a clue where to go because there were no street signs. I knew if I started walking I could really get lost. I had never been this disoriented in my life. Normally, I was an excellent reader of maps and getting around. But in that moment I kept looking at my London Map and kept trying to figure out where to go. People passed by. Finally, an older lady stopped and asked me if I was lost. I told her if she could just show me where Gloucester Road was and the direction to Harrington Gardens, I could find my way. I also asked where the street signs were. She showed me the street names on the buildings, and then walked me to 34 Harrington Gardens. I was impressed by her kindness and relieved to get back safely.

During my 4 weeks of studying I used free time to explore. The first free Saturday I planned a train ride from Waterloo to someplace to ride a steam railway. I rode the tube to Waterloo, found the correct platform and boarded my train. I had used the timetable to book an express service. IIRC this was the line to Southampton. Onboard I discovered the train had compartments and each compartment had a door that was operated by the passengers. The windows were open too. I was astonished. This would be considered lawsuit territory in the US. I had been scolded numerous times on Amtrak for opening the dutch door to enjoy fresh air on Amtrak. Here the windows were nonchalantly left open. I settled in. We pulled out. Once we got up to speed I could not resist. I stood up and took my position by the window. If you stand with the window all the way down, it was almost like riding Amtrak equipment with the top half of the dutch door open. I am not sure how old these cars were, but they seemed ancient. I estimated that we were doing 90 mph. I enjoyed the clatter of switches, junctions, and rail joints. It was familiar but different. And totally awesome. At stops I observed how other passengers operated the doors, and opened the door of my compartment and carefully closed it when I got off at my stop.

The station for the steam line was adjacent to the British Rail station. This train also had open windows and slam doors. I had never ridden behind steam engine. Of course I had to stick my head out the window to enjoy the view on a curve, and almost immediately got a cinder in my eye for my efforts. I sat down and worked on getting it out. Finally relief. The train back to London also had the slam door cars. I was now pretty skilled at getting around London on the Tube. The "Mind the gap" messages were no longer exotic but familiar background noise.

I carefully plotted my 8 day rail pass using the National Timetable. I spent hours doing this during my free time. Finally, I had an itinerary put together. It would cover all corners of England, Wales, and Scotland. I went as far north as Wick, Scotland. I went to Wales to ride the Blestau FFestiniog (I know the spelling is wrong) railway. I rode to Penzance. I rode the Kyle of Lochalsh line. I went to the British Rail travel center and gentleman reviewed my itinerary, and made suggestions to improve it so that I would have a better trip. Then he printed seat reservations for window seats on all of the trains that required seat reservations and reservations for the night trains to Inverness Scotland.

There are too many highlights to recount all of them. My favorites, a meal in a dining car that included yorkshire pudding. Eating breakfast in the dining car on an intercity train from Glasgow to Crewe. The scenery in Scotland was amazing. The hospitality even better. I stayed and bed and breakfasts and met many kind, caring people. I ate numerous servings of fish and chips. All were delicious. The train rides in Scotland were fascinating and exotic as we rolled along and the driver blew the whistle to chase sheep off of the tracks. In the USA the right of ways are usually protected. by fencing to keep animals off of the tracks. So Amtrak never had to contend with sheep grazing on the tracks.

I hope you all enjoyed this report. I do not know all the classes and train types I rode. The intercity 125 and the Mark 3 coaches on the Euston Glasgow lines were probably the most comfortable. The slam door cars with open windows were great for fresh air. I had a long ride from western wales to Birmingham new street on a 2 or 3 car diesel multiple unit that sounded and accelerated like a bus. The seating was not that great, and the windows did not open enough to counteract the greenhouse effect of the sun shining through the windows.
 
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I was 22 years old and in college when I made my first overseas trip from Chicago to London as part of a College overseas program. Our group stayed at 34 Harrington Gardens near the Gloucester road tube station. At this point in my life I had ridden every Amtrak route in the USA, some more than once, and was quite familiar with the details along the routes. So the United Kingdom was an exotic, anticipated experience for me. I had no idea what to expect. The guide books talked about the Intercity 125 services and then some services to tourism spots around London. I read Britain by Britrail front to back several times trying to figure out how to ride as many routes as possible. Since it was designed for people using trains to get from point A to B, it helped me understand how to buy tickets and seat reservations and that eating in a dining car was to be put on the to do list. But that was about it.

The day of the trip arrived and I boarded the TWA 747 from ORD to LHR. This was my first overseas flight. I was seated by the window. The 8 hours seemed an eternity, and my rear end was numb from the sitting. I was hesitant to get up because the know it all girl on the aisle seat acted annoyed every time I got up to use the bathroom. I already did not like her. We landed at Heathrow and walked and walked to get to Immigrations and customs. I was fascinated by seeing Jets from different corners of the world. Then our group was loaded onto a coach for the drive into London. On the way into London, I napped from Jet lag. When I woke up the British Chaperone with her wonderful accent noted that I had a "bit of jet lag."

After we settled in and were allowed freedom to do what we want, I set off on my first tube ride. The goal was to obtain a national time table. I had carefully plotted my ride on the circle line from Gloucester road to Victoria station which was the closest major station with a tourist office and a booking office a month before I left the United States. The tube system was wonderfully complex and different from the 5 or 6 mundane subway and elevated lines in Chicago. I got off at Victoria station, and found the information booth. I asked for a National time table. I wanted a pamphlet like the one Amtrak issued a few times a year. Amtrak's pamphlet was about 80 pages in total for the entire country. The agent wanted to know my destination. I explained I wanted the NATIONAL timetable with a map in it. I believed in the moment that the person was being officious like Amtrak employees and giving me what he though I needed rather than what I wanted. He sighed, bent over, and then plopped this huge book on the counter. It was the size of a large cities telephone book back in the states. 3 pounds 50 he said. In my mind I said, "Holy crap, 7 bucks for a dang train schedule, that is expensive." A system map was sitting on top of the book and I wanted that map and book. So my second purchase in London was the time table, the first being my monthly student tube pass which I would use for the month I was in London before I set off on an 8 day rail pass.

I got back to the tube station and rode back to Gloucester Road. I came up out of the tube station and started looking around. I could not orient myself. I was three blocks from 34 Harrington Gardens, and I did not have a clue where to go because there were no street signs. I knew if I started walking I could really get lost. I had never been this disoriented in my life. Normally, I was an excellent reader of maps and getting around. But in that moment I kept looking at my London Map and kept trying to figure out where to go. People passed by. Finally, an older lady stopped and asked me if I was lost. I told her if she could just show me where Gloucester Road was and the direction to Harrington Gardens, I could find my way. I also asked where the street signs were. She showed me the street names on the buildings, and then walked me to 34 Harrington Gardens. I was impressed by her kindness and relieved to get back safely.

During my 4 weeks of studying I used free time to explore. The first free Saturday I planned a train ride from Waterloo to someplace to ride a steam railway. I rode the tube to Waterloo, found the correct platform and boarded my train. I had used the timetable to book an express service. IIRC this was the line to Southampton. Onboard I discovered the train had compartments and each compartment had a door that was operated by the passengers. The windows were open too. I was astonished. This would be considered lawsuit territory in the US. I had been scolded numerous times on Amtrak for opening the dutch door to enjoy fresh air on Amtrak. Here the windows were nonchalantly left open. I settled in. We pulled out. Once we got up to speed I could not resist. I stood up and took my position by the window. If you stand with the window all the way down, it was almost like riding Amtrak equipment with the top half of the dutch door open. I am not sure how old these cars were, but they seemed ancient. I estimated that we were doing 90 mph. I enjoyed the clatter of switches, junctions, and rail joints. It was familiar but different. And totally awesome. At stops I observed how other passengers operated the doors, and opened the door of my compartment and carefully closed it when I got off at my stop.

The station for the steam line was adjacent to the British Rail station. This train also had open windows and slam doors. I had never ridden behind steam engine. Of course I had to stick my head out the window to enjoy the view on a curve, and almost immediately got a cinder in my eye for my efforts. I sat down and worked on getting it out. Finally relief. The train back to London also had the slam door cars. I was now pretty skilled at getting around London on the Tube. The "Mind the gap" messages were no longer exotic but familiar background noise.

I carefully plotted my 8 day rail pass using the National Timetable. I spent hours doing this during my free time. Finally, I had an itinerary put together. It would cover all corners of England, Wales, and Scotland. I went as far north as Wick, Scotland. I went to Wales to ride the Blestau FFestiniog (I know the spelling is wrong) railway. I rode to Penzance. I rode the Kyle of Lochalsh line. I went to the British Rail travel center and gentleman reviewed my itinerary, and made suggestions to improve it so that I would have a better trip. Then he printed seat reservations for window seats on all of the trains that required seat reservations and reservations for the night trains to Inverness Scotland.

There are too many highlights to recount all of them. My favorites, a meal in a dining car that included yorkshire pudding. Eating breakfast in the dining car on an intercity train from Glasgow to Crewe. The scenery in Scotland was amazing. The hospitality even better. I stayed and bed and breakfasts and met many kind, caring people. I ate numerous servings of fish and chips. All were delicious. The train rides in Scotland were fascinating and exotic as we rolled along and the driver blew the whistle to chase sheep off of the tracks. In the USA the right of ways are usually protected. by fencing to keep animals off of the tracks. So Amtrak never had to contend with sheep grazing on the tracks.

I hope you all enjoyed this report. I do not know all the classes and train types I rode. The intercity 125 and the Mark 3 coaches on the Euston Glasgow lines were probably the most comfortable. The slam door cars with open windows were great for fresh air. I had a long ride from western wales to Birmingham new street on a 2 or 3 car diesel multiple unit that sounded and accelerated like a bus. The seating was not that great, and the windows did not open enough to counteract the greenhouse effect of the sun shining through the windows.
A very insightful read, thoroughly enjoyed it.

As regards the classes of train - the slam door train to Southampton would be probably a 4REP/4TC combo on a fast service or something like a 4CEP or 4CEP if it was the stopper, the former two date from the early 1960s, the latter from the late 50s. All based on the Mk1 carriage design.

The Wales-Birmingham DMU eould probably be a 101 these had bus type flip seats, bus engines and transmission - the driver manually changed through each gear like on a car or bus with manual transmission/stick shift.
 

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Onboard I discovered the train had compartments and each compartment had a door that was operated by the passengers. The windows were open too. I was astonished. This would be considered lawsuit territory in the US. I had been scolded numerous times on Amtrak for opening the dutch door to enjoy fresh air on Amtrak. Here the windows were nonchalantly left open.

Sadly not much of that left here anymore - lawsuit territory as you say !

Very enjoyable report !
 

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I think the bus like cars I road were more recent build than 1960. The interior seemed more modern than that. Though the equipment could have been refurbished. I saw similar cars in other parts of England on that trip in 1988. IIRC there were some on the Kyle of Localsh line, and around London IIRC.

I have been looking at youtube videos and some of the newer trains are intriguing. The Azuma and the Trans-Pennine express equipment look interesting. I am thinking about a return to England to retrace my steps from that 1988 trip and to cover some missed trackage. My big item on that list is the long bridge north of Edinburgh.
 

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A very insightful read, thoroughly enjoyed it.

As regards the classes of train - the slam door train to Southampton would be probably a 4REP/4TC combo on a fast service or something like a 4CEP or 4CEP if it was the stopper, the former two date from the early 1960s, the latter from the late 50s. All based on the Mk1 carriage design.

The Wales-Birmingham DMU eould probably be a 101 these had bus type flip seats, bus engines and transmission - the driver manually changed through each gear like on a car or bus with manual transmission/stick shift.
The description "steam line station next to the main line station" sounds like Alton and the Mid-Hants Railway.
 

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If by the "long bridge north of Edinburgh" you mean the Forth Bridge, you likely went over that in the Inverness sleeper but probably missed it due to being asleep :D
 

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The description "steam line station next to the main line station" sounds like Alton and the Mid-Hants Railway.
Yes, that was it.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

If by the "long bridge north of Edinburgh" you mean the Forth Bridge, you likely went over that in the Inverness sleeper but probably missed it due to being asleep :D

Well that doesn't count then. I left from Euston on that trip to Inverness. I really do not know how we got to the area north of Glasgow and Edinburgh. I assumed we went up the WCML to Carstairs and then continued north. IIRC there were cars headed for Glasgow and Edinburgh on that train. I do not know where all the switching occurred. I slept through that too.
 

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If by the "long bridge north of Edinburgh" you mean the Forth Bridge, you likely went over that in the Inverness sleeper but probably missed it due to being asleep :D
Well that doesn't count then. I left from Euston on that trip to Inverness. I really do not know how we got to the area north of Glasgow and Edinburgh. I assumed we went up the WCML to Carstairs and then continued north. IIRC there were cars headed for Glasgow and Edinburgh on that train. I do not know where all the switching occurred. I slept through that too.


The Euston-Inverness Royal Highlander, went the route the daytime The Clansman originally took - straight up from Motherwell to Larbert via Coatbridge Central then north via Stirling and Perth into the Highlands
 

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The train rides in Scotland were fascinating and exotic as we rolled along and the driver blew the whistle to chase sheep off of the tracks. In the USA the right of ways are usually protected. by fencing to keep animals off of the tracks.
A great report, thanks. In most of the UK railways are fenced off and trespassing is a crime. It's just a few lines that are not. I think there is one in Wales as well.
 

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The Forth Bridge might have been on the return south from Inverness if by daytime train - although I note you went Glasgow to Crewe, maybe Edinburgh (very popular with tourists) was a stop off before going to Glasgow.

Good to know you enjoyed your trips.
 

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I think the bus like cars I road were more recent build than 1960. The interior seemed more modern than that. Though the equipment could have been refurbished. I saw similar cars in other parts of England on that trip in 1988. IIRC there were some on the Kyle of Lochalsh line, and around London IIRC.
No, they were likely 1960-build Western Region "Cross Country dmu" 3-coach trains, still around then and doing just that run. Some had an interior refurb around 1980. The engine and transmission were directly from buses of the era. They were all over the country, with a series of detail differences you would not have noticed.

I made my first overseas trip from Chicago to London as part of a College overseas program.
A thing of the era. In literally my last weeks at university in Edinburgh, Scotland, 1977, I met a comparable student, she had just arrived from Los Angeles via London.

"How did you get here from London?".
"Oh, the express train. It took a while. 10 o'clock from London, it's 7 and a half hours."
"Whatever happened. Did it break down? Normally it's 5 and a half hours".
"No, 7 and a half is the regular one".
"Well, 5 hours and 43 minutes actually" (Deltic-hauled Flying Scotsman timetable for that year).
"No, you're WRONG".
"..... (speechless) ...."

Despite this, we went on a first date to exactly "My big item on that list is the long bridge north of Edinburgh.". Train to Dalmeny, walk down through the woods to South Queensferry riverfront, stop at the Hawes Inn, looks out at the Firth and the bridges. The pub is where Robert Louis Stevenson wrote "Kidnapped".

And we were together for years afterwards.
 

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I think the bus like cars I road were more recent build than 1960. The interior seemed more modern than that. Though the equipment could have been refurbished. I saw similar cars in other parts of England on that trip in 1988. IIRC there were some on the Kyle of Localsh line, and around London IIRC.
No, they were likely 1960-build Western Region "Cross Country dmu" 3-coach trains, still around then and doing just that run. Some had an interior refurb around 1980. The engine and transmission were directly from buses of the era. They were all over the country, with a series of detail differences you would not have noticed.
There were certainly newer class 150 Sprinters operating on the Cambrian line from Aberystwyth and Pwllheli in 1988 though and they were ubiquitous elsewhere across England. That would tie in with them being similar to class 156 Super Sprinters on the Kyle line if not for the fact that the latter didn't enter service until 1989, and perhaps to class 455 electric units around London.

As far as I'm aware the Kyle line never had work for first gen Cross-country DMUs.
 

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There were certainly newer class 150 Sprinters operating on the Cambrian line from Aberystwyth and Pwllheli in 1988 though and they were ubiquitous elsewhere across England. That would tie in with them being similar to class 156 Super Sprinters on the Kyle line if not for the fact that the latter didn't enter service until 1989, and perhaps to class 455 electric units around London.

As far as I'm aware the Kyle line never had work for first gen Cross-country DMUs.

Though 15x don't sound like buses, other than when idling, whereas "heritage DMUs" (and original Pacers, but these wouldn't have come up in the places mentioned) do.
 

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Very enjoyable read, thank you. Yes that feeling of uncertainty the first time you are in a different environment is quite exciting. Even though we speak the same language (nearly!) the accents do take some getting used to. I’ve had many great trips in the US, and the conversation frequently dwells on my London accent, which many find fascinating for some reason :)

I probably found Chicago similar to how you found London. Riding the L was a great experience. I couldn’t help but feel sorry for the drivers on one stretch where they drive towards the Trump Tower, which dominated their view forward with the word TRUMP in their eyeline. That wouldn’t help my concentration!
 

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I was 22 years old and in college when I made my first overseas trip from Chicago to London as part of a College overseas program. Our group stayed at 34 Harrington Gardens near the Gloucester road tube station. At this point in my life I had ridden every Amtrak route in the USA, some more than once, and was quite familiar with the details along the routes. So the United Kingdom was an exotic, anticipated experience for me. I had no idea what to expect. The guide books talked about the Intercity 125 services and then some services to tourism spots around London. I read Britain by Britrail front to back several times trying to figure out how to ride as many routes as possible. Since it was designed for people using trains to get from point A to B, it helped me understand how to buy tickets and seat reservations and that eating in a dining car was to be put on the to do list. But that was about it.

The day of the trip arrived and I boarded the TWA 747 from ORD to LHR. This was my first overseas flight. I was seated by the window. The 8 hours seemed an eternity, and my rear end was numb from the sitting. I was hesitant to get up because the know it all girl on the aisle seat acted annoyed every time I got up to use the bathroom. I already did not like her. We landed at Heathrow and walked and walked to get to Immigrations and customs. I was fascinated by seeing Jets from different corners of the world. Then our group was loaded onto a coach for the drive into London. On the way into London, I napped from Jet lag. When I woke up the British Chaperone with her wonderful accent noted that I had a "bit of jet lag."

After we settled in and were allowed freedom to do what we want, I set off on my first tube ride. The goal was to obtain a national time table. I had carefully plotted my ride on the circle line from Gloucester road to Victoria station which was the closest major station with a tourist office and a booking office a month before I left the United States. The tube system was wonderfully complex and different from the 5 or 6 mundane subway and elevated lines in Chicago. I got off at Victoria station, and found the information booth. I asked for a National time table. I wanted a pamphlet like the one Amtrak issued a few times a year. Amtrak's pamphlet was about 80 pages in total for the entire country. The agent wanted to know my destination. I explained I wanted the NATIONAL timetable with a map in it. I believed in the moment that the person was being officious like Amtrak employees and giving me what he though I needed rather than what I wanted. He sighed, bent over, and then plopped this huge book on the counter. It was the size of a large cities telephone book back in the states. 3 pounds 50 he said. In my mind I said, "Holy crap, 7 bucks for a dang train schedule, that is expensive." A system map was sitting on top of the book and I wanted that map and book. So my second purchase in London was the time table, the first being my monthly student tube pass which I would use for the month I was in London before I set off on an 8 day rail pass.

I got back to the tube station and rode back to Gloucester Road. I came up out of the tube station and started looking around. I could not orient myself. I was three blocks from 34 Harrington Gardens, and I did not have a clue where to go because there were no street signs. I knew if I started walking I could really get lost. I had never been this disoriented in my life. Normally, I was an excellent reader of maps and getting around. But in that moment I kept looking at my London Map and kept trying to figure out where to go. People passed by. Finally, an older lady stopped and asked me if I was lost. I told her if she could just show me where Gloucester Road was and the direction to Harrington Gardens, I could find my way. I also asked where the street signs were. She showed me the street names on the buildings, and then walked me to 34 Harrington Gardens. I was impressed by her kindness and relieved to get back safely.

During my 4 weeks of studying I used free time to explore. The first free Saturday I planned a train ride from Waterloo to someplace to ride a steam railway. I rode the tube to Waterloo, found the correct platform and boarded my train. I had used the timetable to book an express service. IIRC this was the line to Southampton. Onboard I discovered the train had compartments and each compartment had a door that was operated by the passengers. The windows were open too. I was astonished. This would be considered lawsuit territory in the US. I had been scolded numerous times on Amtrak for opening the dutch door to enjoy fresh air on Amtrak. Here the windows were nonchalantly left open. I settled in. We pulled out. Once we got up to speed I could not resist. I stood up and took my position by the window. If you stand with the window all the way down, it was almost like riding Amtrak equipment with the top half of the dutch door open. I am not sure how old these cars were, but they seemed ancient. I estimated that we were doing 90 mph. I enjoyed the clatter of switches, junctions, and rail joints. It was familiar but different. And totally awesome. At stops I observed how other passengers operated the doors, and opened the door of my compartment and carefully closed it when I got off at my stop.

The station for the steam line was adjacent to the British Rail station. This train also had open windows and slam doors. I had never ridden behind steam engine. Of course I had to stick my head out the window to enjoy the view on a curve, and almost immediately got a cinder in my eye for my efforts. I sat down and worked on getting it out. Finally relief. The train back to London also had the slam door cars. I was now pretty skilled at getting around London on the Tube. The "Mind the gap" messages were no longer exotic but familiar background noise.

I carefully plotted my 8 day rail pass using the National Timetable. I spent hours doing this during my free time. Finally, I had an itinerary put together. It would cover all corners of England, Wales, and Scotland. I went as far north as Wick, Scotland. I went to Wales to ride the Blestau FFestiniog (I know the spelling is wrong) railway. I rode to Penzance. I rode the Kyle of Lochalsh line. I went to the British Rail travel center and gentleman reviewed my itinerary, and made suggestions to improve it so that I would have a better trip. Then he printed seat reservations for window seats on all of the trains that required seat reservations and reservations for the night trains to Inverness Scotland.

There are too many highlights to recount all of them. My favorites, a meal in a dining car that included yorkshire pudding. Eating breakfast in the dining car on an intercity train from Glasgow to Crewe. The scenery in Scotland was amazing. The hospitality even better. I stayed and bed and breakfasts and met many kind, caring people. I ate numerous servings of fish and chips. All were delicious. The train rides in Scotland were fascinating and exotic as we rolled along and the driver blew the whistle to chase sheep off of the tracks. In the USA the right of ways are usually protected. by fencing to keep animals off of the tracks. So Amtrak never had to contend with sheep grazing on the tracks.

I hope you all enjoyed this report. I do not know all the classes and train types I rode. The intercity 125 and the Mark 3 coaches on the Euston Glasgow lines were probably the most comfortable. The slam door cars with open windows were great for fresh air. I had a long ride from western wales to Birmingham new street on a 2 or 3 car diesel multiple unit that sounded and accelerated like a bus. The seating was not that great, and the windows did not open enough to counteract the greenhouse effect of the sun shining through the windows.
Excellent post and an enjoyable read, thanks for posting it - hope you can make it back soon and retrace your steps - I am sure ideas and suggestions from this forum would happily be made!
Reminds me of the pleasure I took in taking my first Amtrak ride your side of the pond.
 

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Oh I really enjoyed that accent. I was instantly in love with the lady on the coach bus who noted I had a bit of jet lag. I found her extremely exotic and fascinating. She was pretty too. On one of our bus tours we were in the county of Wiltshire. As soon as she said "Wiltshire" I was ready to propose marriage. LOL. Fortunately, I kept my mouth shut.

Two humorous stories from my trip that are not exactly train related. One involved the Know it all seat mate from the flight. Her name was Debbie Osterhof, or something similar. She had been to England once before so she considered her self superior to anyone who was visiting for the first time. During the first day or so, during walking tours of London I was slow adjusting to the traffic patterns, and she was constantly warning me before I stepped of the curb. To be fair, she did save me from stepping in front of a bus. But she was annoying. Finally, I got the hang of it and stopped when I was supposed to. She was walking along behind me and walked right into me because she was changing film in her camera. This incident resulted in her exposing film and ruining it. Steeeve!!! I had had enough of her already. I said, "Dang girl. Stop. You yell when I walk and yell when I stop. Make up your mind." This is the G rated version.

The second involved three rather ignorant girls in my group. I don't remember their names. Our entire group was scheduled to have afternoon tea at the Waldorf Astoria. We were strictly admonished by the British tour guide (The Wiltshire lady) the day before not to be late. This was first time she had spoken forcefully to us. I knew she was not playing. We were warned not to take taxis because traffic could cause you to be late. This advice was directed more to the girls who were considering wearing heals and thus not interested in taking the tube 3 or 4 stops to the stop near the Waldorf Astoria. It was a one seat ride with no transfers. I planned to leave in plenty of time in case there was some sort of service disruption on the tube.

The day of the tea, I was leaving and. one of the three ignorant girls asked me to wait so they could walk with me so they would not get lost on the tube. I waited an extra 20 minutes. And now was in the might be late category. I was getting annoyed. Then the 3 came down with 2 others and they told me they had decided to take a cab and there was no room for me. I was pissed.

I walked quickly to the Gloucester road tube station cussing under my breath. Got on the tube and one of my male classmates was on the platform. A train pulled in and we got on. He asked me what was going on. He could see I was mad. I loudly and profanely explained in my best Eddie Murphy imitation what these girls had done. I was definitely the ugly American.

We got to the Waldorf with 5 minutes to spare. The British Tour guide checked our names off and thanked us for being responsible. She asked me about the 5 girls. I cheerfully told her what happened and that they decided to take a taxi. She was not happy. I sat down. I continued my Eddie Murphy monologue as the tea was served. My buddies were laughing. 30 minutes late, the 5 arrived and I could see the British tour guide scolding them from across the room. Made my day.

I rode the tube back, stopped to get some sausage rolls from the bakery that was between Gloucesester Road and where we were staying. As I walked down the block I saw the girls getting out of taxi. I walked real slow hoping they would be out of the hallway by the time I got there. They were not. One of them asked if I was mad at them. I explained loudly and profanely exactly why I was mad and went upstairs to eat my sausage roles and work on planning my rail pass trip.
 

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I was 22 years old and in college when I made my first overseas trip from Chicago to London as part of a College overseas program. Our group stayed at 34 Harrington Gardens near the Gloucester road tube station. At this point in my life I had ridden every Amtrak route in the USA, some more than once, and was quite familiar with the details along the routes. So the United Kingdom was an exotic, anticipated experience for me. I had no idea what to expect. The guide books talked about the Intercity 125 services and then some services to tourism spots around London. I read Britain by Britrail front to back several times trying to figure out how to ride as many routes as possible. Since it was designed for people using trains to get from point A to B, it helped me understand how to buy tickets and seat reservations and that eating in a dining car was to be put on the to do list. But that was about it.

The day of the trip arrived and I boarded the TWA 747 from ORD to LHR. This was my first overseas flight. I was seated by the window. The 8 hours seemed an eternity, and my rear end was numb from the sitting. I was hesitant to get up because the know it all girl on the aisle seat acted annoyed every time I got up to use the bathroom. I already did not like her. We landed at Heathrow and walked and walked to get to Immigrations and customs. I was fascinated by seeing Jets from different corners of the world. Then our group was loaded onto a coach for the drive into London. On the way into London, I napped from Jet lag. When I woke up the British Chaperone with her wonderful accent noted that I had a "bit of jet lag."

After we settled in and were allowed freedom to do what we want, I set off on my first tube ride. The goal was to obtain a national time table. I had carefully plotted my ride on the circle line from Gloucester road to Victoria station which was the closest major station with a tourist office and a booking office a month before I left the United States. The tube system was wonderfully complex and different from the 5 or 6 mundane subway and elevated lines in Chicago. I got off at Victoria station, and found the information booth. I asked for a National time table. I wanted a pamphlet like the one Amtrak issued a few times a year. Amtrak's pamphlet was about 80 pages in total for the entire country. The agent wanted to know my destination. I explained I wanted the NATIONAL timetable with a map in it. I believed in the moment that the person was being officious like Amtrak employees and giving me what he though I needed rather than what I wanted. He sighed, bent over, and then plopped this huge book on the counter. It was the size of a large cities telephone book back in the states. 3 pounds 50 he said. In my mind I said, "Holy crap, 7 bucks for a dang train schedule, that is expensive." A system map was sitting on top of the book and I wanted that map and book. So my second purchase in London was the time table, the first being my monthly student tube pass which I would use for the month I was in London before I set off on an 8 day rail pass.

I got back to the tube station and rode back to Gloucester Road. I came up out of the tube station and started looking around. I could not orient myself. I was three blocks from 34 Harrington Gardens, and I did not have a clue where to go because there were no street signs. I knew if I started walking I could really get lost. I had never been this disoriented in my life. Normally, I was an excellent reader of maps and getting around. But in that moment I kept looking at my London Map and kept trying to figure out where to go. People passed by. Finally, an older lady stopped and asked me if I was lost. I told her if she could just show me where Gloucester Road was and the direction to Harrington Gardens, I could find my way. I also asked where the street signs were. She showed me the street names on the buildings, and then walked me to 34 Harrington Gardens. I was impressed by her kindness and relieved to get back safely.

During my 4 weeks of studying I used free time to explore. The first free Saturday I planned a train ride from Waterloo to someplace to ride a steam railway. I rode the tube to Waterloo, found the correct platform and boarded my train. I had used the timetable to book an express service. IIRC this was the line to Southampton. Onboard I discovered the train had compartments and each compartment had a door that was operated by the passengers. The windows were open too. I was astonished. This would be considered lawsuit territory in the US. I had been scolded numerous times on Amtrak for opening the dutch door to enjoy fresh air on Amtrak. Here the windows were nonchalantly left open. I settled in. We pulled out. Once we got up to speed I could not resist. I stood up and took my position by the window. If you stand with the window all the way down, it was almost like riding Amtrak equipment with the top half of the dutch door open. I am not sure how old these cars were, but they seemed ancient. I estimated that we were doing 90 mph. I enjoyed the clatter of switches, junctions, and rail joints. It was familiar but different. And totally awesome. At stops I observed how other passengers operated the doors, and opened the door of my compartment and carefully closed it when I got off at my stop.

The station for the steam line was adjacent to the British Rail station. This train also had open windows and slam doors. I had never ridden behind steam engine. Of course I had to stick my head out the window to enjoy the view on a curve, and almost immediately got a cinder in my eye for my efforts. I sat down and worked on getting it out. Finally relief. The train back to London also had the slam door cars. I was now pretty skilled at getting around London on the Tube. The "Mind the gap" messages were no longer exotic but familiar background noise.

I carefully plotted my 8 day rail pass using the National Timetable. I spent hours doing this during my free time. Finally, I had an itinerary put together. It would cover all corners of England, Wales, and Scotland. I went as far north as Wick, Scotland. I went to Wales to ride the Blestau FFestiniog (I know the spelling is wrong) railway. I rode to Penzance. I rode the Kyle of Lochalsh line. I went to the British Rail travel center and gentleman reviewed my itinerary, and made suggestions to improve it so that I would have a better trip. Then he printed seat reservations for window seats on all of the trains that required seat reservations and reservations for the night trains to Inverness Scotland.

There are too many highlights to recount all of them. My favorites, a meal in a dining car that included yorkshire pudding. Eating breakfast in the dining car on an intercity train from Glasgow to Crewe. The scenery in Scotland was amazing. The hospitality even better. I stayed and bed and breakfasts and met many kind, caring people. I ate numerous servings of fish and chips. All were delicious. The train rides in Scotland were fascinating and exotic as we rolled along and the driver blew the whistle to chase sheep off of the tracks. In the USA the right of ways are usually protected. by fencing to keep animals off of the tracks. So Amtrak never had to contend with sheep grazing on the tracks.

I hope you all enjoyed this report. I do not know all the classes and train types I rode. The intercity 125 and the Mark 3 coaches on the Euston Glasgow lines were probably the most comfortable. The slam door cars with open windows were great for fresh air. I had a long ride from western wales to Birmingham new street on a 2 or 3 car diesel multiple unit that sounded and accelerated like a bus. The seating was not that great, and the windows did not open enough to counteract the greenhouse effect of the sun shining through the windows.

Oh I really enjoyed that accent. I was instantly in love with the lady on the coach bus who noted I had a bit of jet lag. I found her extremely exotic and fascinating. She was pretty too. On one of our bus tours we were in the county of Wiltshire. As soon as she said "Wiltshire" I was ready to propose marriage. LOL. Fortunately, I kept my mouth shut.

Two humorous stories from my trip that are not exactly train related. One involved the Know it all seat mate from the flight. Her name was Debbie Osterhof, or something similar. She had been to England once before so she considered her self superior to anyone who was visiting for the first time. During the first day or so, during walking tours of London I was slow adjusting to the traffic patterns, and she was constantly warning me before I stepped of the curb. To be fair, she did save me from stepping in front of a bus. But she was annoying. Finally, I got the hang of it and stopped when I was supposed to. She was walking along behind me and walked right into me because she was changing film in her camera. This incident resulted in her exposing film and ruining it. Steeeve!!! I had had enough of her already. I said, "Dang girl. Stop. You yell when I walk and yell when I stop. Make up your mind." This is the G rated version.

The second involved three rather ignorant girls in my group. I don't remember their names. Our entire group was scheduled to have afternoon tea at the Waldorf Astoria. We were strictly admonished by the British tour guide (The Wiltshire lady) the day before not to be late. This was first time she had spoken forcefully to us. I knew she was not playing. We were warned not to take taxis because traffic could cause you to be late. This advice was directed more to the girls who were considering wearing heals and thus not interested in taking the tube 3 or 4 stops to the stop near the Waldorf Astoria. It was a one seat ride with no transfers. I planned to leave in plenty of time in case there was some sort of service disruption on the tube.

The day of the tea, I was leaving and. one of the three ignorant girls asked me to wait so they could walk with me so they would not get lost on the tube. I waited an extra 20 minutes. And now was in the might be late category. I was getting annoyed. Then the 3 came down with 2 others and they told me they had decided to take a cab and there was no room for me. I was pissed.

I walked quickly to the Gloucester road tube station cussing under my breath. Got on the tube and one of my male classmates was on the platform. A train pulled in and we got on. He asked me what was going on. He could see I was mad. I loudly and profanely explained in my best Eddie Murphy imitation what these girls had done. I was definitely the ugly American.

We got to the Waldorf with 5 minutes to spare. The British Tour guide checked our names off and thanked us for being responsible. She asked me about the 5 girls. I cheerfully told her what happened and that they decided to take a taxi. She was not happy. I sat down. I continued my Eddie Murphy monologue as the tea was served. My buddies were laughing. 30 minutes late, the 5 arrived and I could see the British tour guide scolding them from across the room. Made my day.

I rode the tube back, stopped to get some sausage rolls from the bakery that was between Gloucesester Road and where we were staying. As I walked down the block I saw the girls getting out of taxi. I walked real slow hoping they would be out of the hallway by the time I got there. They were not. One of them asked if I was mad at them. I explained loudly and profanely exactly why I was mad and went upstairs to eat my sausage roles and work on planning my rail pass trip.

Lovely stories - thank you for posting.

I too hope that you have the opportunity to come back over, sometime, and to make some new memories.

You’ll be pleased to hear that, despite some other changes, sausage rolls are still readily (if not increasingly!) available.
 

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Awesome. I was planning a stop in Newcastle because I wanted to ride the transpennine route to Carlisle.
 

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Awesome. I was planning a stop in Newcastle because I wanted to ride the transpennine route to Carlisle.

That route is scenic enough, but that far north the Pennines have mostly petered out. I think a better one in that region for dramatic scenery would be the Settle to Carlisle line, which cuts directly through the mountain range.

I would still recommend a Newcastle visit for a couple of nights though! A lovely station, easily walkable city centre with a historic castle and good pubs/bars, and a perfect base for a day out exploring Hadrian's Wall.

Let me know if you ever get a future visit sorted, and I'll show you the best pubs of my adopted home!
 

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That route is scenic enough, but that far north the Pennines have mostly petered out. I think a better one in that region for dramatic scenery would be the Settle to Carlisle line, which cuts directly through the mountain range.

Agreed. I found the "Hadrian's Wall Line" really quite boring, to be honest, a bit like the Bentham Line. Not ugly, but no better or worse than any other random rural branch line. The S&C is stunning, as is Shap (I'd recommend doing a loop there - perhaps Carlisle-Preston-Manchester-Leeds-Carlisle - for some reason I prefer the S&C that way round).

I would still recommend a Newcastle visit for a couple of nights though! A lovely station, easily walkable city centre with a historic castle and good pubs/bars, and a perfect base for a day out exploring Hadrian's Wall.

Yeah, it's a great city, really friendly and quite visually attractive too.
 

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Not sure I'd cross the Atlantic for a Greggs sausage roll....(other brands are available, as they say)

Me neither, but other delicacies from other brands...

Oddly enough, a hot Greggs sausage roll (no other) is something that, more than forty years later, reminds me like nothing else of my first ever trip by rail, with my paternal grandfather.

For that alone, I’d travel quite a way.

At the other end of the price and prime meat content spectrum, and with absolutely no emotional connection whatsoever, I can also recommend those of the Cottonrake Bakery on the Great Western Road in Glasgow.
 

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Oddly enough, a hot Greggs sausage roll (no other) is something that, more than forty years later, reminds me like nothing else of my first ever trip by rail, with my paternal grandfather.

For that alone, I’d travel quite a way.
Now that is an excellent post!

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Me neither, but other delicacies from other brands...
Indeed (not that there is anything bad about Greggs as far as I know!)
 

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Oddly enough, a hot Greggs sausage roll (no other) is something that, more than forty years later, reminds me like nothing else of my first ever trip by rail, with my paternal grandfather.

For that alone, I’d travel quite a way.

Savoury pastries were the thing I missed the most when living in Germany for a year - they are very much a UK thing and you don't get them anywhere else, really. They were then the thing I missed most when I had to go gluten free until they started being common in that form (if anyone else is, Voakes Free From is excellent, by the way).
 
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