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A quick poll about taking the vaccine.

How do you feel about taking a/the Covid vaccine?

  • Completely happy to take it/Have taken it.

  • Would rather wait and see for a while but maybe.

  • Would rather not, but not completely turned off to the idea.

  • Absolutely wouldn’t.

  • Would consider it if it meant that I couldn’t travel abroad/go to various events etc.


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KevinTurvey

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502 deaths out of 27.5 million? Is that what you are trying to highlight?
True, in percentage terms this total is very small, I deliberately avoided making comment or conclusion in relation to this rather sensitive issue but the fact remains a death or a life changing injury, however caused, is still a death, and I find this concerning.
 
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True, in percentage terms this total is very small, I deliberately avoided making comment or conclusion in relation to this rather sensitive issue but the fact remains a death or a life changing injury, however caused, is still a death, and I find this concerning.
Do you have any evidence of an increase in deaths following vaccination?

If the vaccine is causing deaths you would expect to see more deaths in the vaccination group(s) compared to the control group(s), but I am not aware of any evidence this is the case.

If you have evidence to suggest there is an increase in deaths, you should be stating that evidence.

As it stands, you have not posted anything meaningful and I am struggling to understand your motives.
 

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True, in percentage terms this total is very small, I deliberately avoided making comment or conclusion in relation to this rather sensitive issue but the fact remains a death or a life changing injury, however caused, is still a death, and I find this concerning.
How do we know the vaccine was the cause of death? It isn't implicitly stated there unless I've missed something? How many deaths would there be without the vaccines? We seem to be in this state of there must be no deaths whatever happens. See more scaremongering over AZ vaccine again, without any scientific proof. Consequence will be people will refuse it leading to more deaths from virus related disease. Totally irresponsible reporting from media and doubt this is just confined to UK media.
 

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To bring back my cold blooded persona from earlier in this crisis, acceptable losses

If the vaccine reactions were common enough to matter on a population scale, we would be swamped in reports by now.
 

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True, in percentage terms this total is very small, I deliberately avoided making comment or conclusion in relation to this rather sensitive issue but the fact remains a death or a life changing injury, however caused, is still a death, and I find this concerning.
In other news, 100% of people who ride a train in their life will end up dying.
 
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I was on the fence anyway but I’m now definitely going to wait for mine given the news reports recently and today. I’m relatively low risk and I’m sure it’ll all be investigated and ruled out quickly enough. And before anyone starts, I’m not saying I’m not having it, I’m just saying I’m going to wait a while. Then I’ll decide if I wish to have it.
 
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KevinTurvey

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Do you have any evidence of an increase in deaths following vaccination?

If the vaccine is causing deaths you would expect to see more deaths in the vaccination group(s) compared to the control group(s), but I am not aware of any evidence this is the case.

If you have evidence to suggest there is an increase in deaths, you should be stating that evidence.

As it stands, you have not posted anything meaningful and I am struggling to understand your motives.
My apologies in that when re-reading my earlier first post it does not give any real context as to what the figures are or mean. They are the Governments Covid 19 Vaccine Adverse Reaction yellow card reports for each of the vaccines used. Attached is the link to the index page from where the reports were obtained.


When reading the reports, it suggested to me that 500+ people had died as a result of the vaccinations, and a further number suffered adverse reactions, some serious. Others may interpret them differently.

I cannot offer any further comment as I am not qualified to do so. I was merely posting the information, as I found it concerning.
 

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Even if those deaths were all caused by the vaccines (which as above is highly refuted), what do you think the death statistics are for those in the equivalent age group (over 55s) for actually contracting Covid?

As you mention you’re not qualified to comment I hope you won’t mind me asking whether you found those technical documents yourself or whether you were pointed to them by someone who wanted to cause you concern without context. If the latter I would suggest you question the motives of your source
 

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It looks like these are all reports under the yellow card scheme. They are all the reports of adverse reactions and deaths following having the vaccine. Defintely not reporting 500 deaths as a result of the vaccinations. The MHRA will be looking out for any variations from the population as a whole.
 

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I cannot offer any further comment as I am not qualified to do so. I was merely posting the information, as I found it concerning.

Based upon the scale of the vaccination efforts and the absolutely miniscule number of issues reported in that information, I could not be less concerned. Vaccinations carry some risk of short term adverse reaction, some people will die in spite of receiving them because of age / underlying conditions. That's the deal. If we want out of this thing we suck it up, accept that risk and move on.
 

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Based upon the scale of the vaccination efforts and the absolutely miniscule number of issues reported in that information, I could not be less concerned. Vaccinations carry some risk of short term adverse reaction, some people will die in spite of receiving them because of age / underlying conditions. That's the deal. If we want out of this thing we suck it up, accept that risk and move on.

That same attitude could have been taken before we decided to lockdown though
 

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I remember asking about herd immunity a few days back. Can it really be reached and I still don’t understand how it protects those who refuse the vaccine? Why is this do they suddenly develop immunity? Is it there is much less virus to catch? I don’t understand it too well. I don’t see how unvaccinated or vaccinated will ever be able to hug someone again?
 

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I remember asking about herd immunity a few days back. Can it really be reached
I refer you to the many posts on this subject, such as:

How do you define herd immunity?

I think the virus will reach endemic equilibrium* which arguably does not fit the proper definition of herd immunity, but it ends the pandemic

Also on the herd immunity theme, I think it's generally unhelpful to use the term in many contexts, because there is do much confusion over what it means; people often argue at cross purposes and numerous people seem to misunderstand or misrepresent the concept.

In fact there is an assumption by many people that the virus can either be eliminated through harsh lockdowns (this is absurd) or through reaching herd immunity and yet these scenarios are increasingly unlikely.

If we are heading for seasonal endemic equilibrium, rather than elimination, which it seems many experts believe is likely, this makes vaccinations even more important.
This is true but there is growing evidence that , as with other Coronaviruses, it will spread - albeit at greatly reduced levels - even among people who have excellent immunity.

People who have immunity will not die or become seriously ill (except on rare occasions, as is already the case with "common cold" Coronaviruses and Rhinoviruses) however some will have mild illness.

There is myth that immunity is a binary thing; this is far from the case. People talk about "herd immunity" and don't understand what the term means and often end up arguing over symantics or talking at cross purposes.

Based on my own research I agree with the experts who believe the virus will become one of the endemic coronaviruses; indeed I recall some forum members predicting this a year ago and it's looking more and more likely as time goes on....
and I still don’t understand how it protects those who refuse the vaccine?
As discussed before, and freely available if you look it up, if we reach the actual definition of full "herd immunity", people are protected due to the virus being unable to spread. But that doesn't tend to happen with Coronaviruses, which continue to spread, but at reduced levels, and once people have developed immunity, their symptoms will be barely noticeable, if at all.

If you refuse the vaccine, I do not think you will be "protected" in this sense.

Why is this do they suddenly develop immunity?
Immunity is not a binary thing; for full "herd immunity" you need sterilising immunity, which is not going to happen. There are many sources that can tell you how the immune system works.

Is it there is much less virus to catch?
I don't know what you are asking exactly but as the epidemic comes to an end the chances of catching the virus will be reduced. But this is a seasonal Coronavirus that is likely here to stay and prevalence will rise and fall seasonally, so I strongly suspect anyone who does not get vaccinated will end up developing immunity through natural infection. Most of those people will not be particularly unwell, but some will get quite ill. A small number will be hospitalised and even die. But it will only be a small proportion of the population so life will go on for the rest of us, as normal.

I don’t understand it too well.
You keep asking questions but the answers are here; there are also links to video interviews and podcasts. There are many online sources that explain all these things.

I don’t see how unvaccinated or vaccinated will ever be able to hug someone again?
I don't understand what you mean.
 

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I remember asking about herd immunity a few days back. Can it really be reached and I still don’t understand how it protects those who refuse the vaccine? Why is this do they suddenly develop immunity? Is it there is much less virus to catch? I don’t understand it too well. I don’t see how unvaccinated or vaccinated will ever be able to hug someone again?
@yorkie has pretty much covered the points, but just to tack onto the end of this you have to remember that for the vast majority of people the virus will not be deadly, and in many cases will go almost unnoticed by them. Hopefully the absolute majority of vulnerable people will be vaccinated, and if required part of a booster programme going forward. And for the rest, vaccinated or not, covid will as said above just become another seasonal virus that we live with.
 

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Had my jab today...they asked my occupation and when I said train driver they asked if I was driving today.
No..not until Tuesday!
 

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Had my jab today, remarkable how efficient the whole process is, I think I was in the doctor's surgery for less than 2 minutes!
 

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Some questions

Do people who had the vaccine still get tested even after 3 weeks once they had the vaccine and it settled in?

How could unvaccinated people be protected?

I read some police caught the virus in Glasgow after the rangers fans gathered so it shows how easy it is to catch. Are we still going to be recording thousands of cases even after vaccination?
 

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Some questions

Do people who had the vaccine still get tested even after 3 weeks once they had the vaccine and it settled in?

How could unvaccinated people be protected?

I read some police caught the virus in Glasgow after the rangers fans gathered so it shows how easy it is to catch. Are we still going to be recording thousands of cases even after vaccination?

At the moment testing tends to be applied to certain occupations or those attending selected buildings. It is often repeated in these same groups, but millions (tens of millions ?) of others have never had a test.

Trying to identify those who might be carrying a virus (even if they are not aware, no symptoms) and might pass it on.

But the logic that as more are vaccinated it becomes more pointless to test within fully vaccinated groups is true, but whilst they still mix with unvaccinated people it is really to protect those.

The police are not in a priority group (but presumably some are now done due to age), so could potentially catch Covid.

There are now lots of areas where rate is down to 20 or less per 100,000 so chances of meeting an infected person is 1 in 5000. But some other areas are still over 100, so in these cases could be handful of cases in every street.
 

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I read some police caught the virus in Glasgow after the rangers fans gathered so it shows how easy it is to catch. Are we still going to be recording thousands of cases even after vaccination?
Do you mean that some police tested positive for the virus at some point (hopefully) after the gathering of Rangers fans, and that they are implying the two are related? The police are out and about, and are probably getting tested quite a lot, so it's statistically very likely for some of them to test positive. In order to attribute it to the Rangers fans you'd really need to show that the numbers of police infected was higher by a statistically-significant amount amongst police who were at the demo, and at least go to a little bit off effort to rule out other explanations.
 

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So I have just had the AstraZeneca COVID-19 Vaccination, about ten minutes ago. It was very quick. They check your details, ask some medical questions, then they give it to you. It was a very slick and well organised operation. From arrival to jab took less than five minutes :D

I’m not very keen on any medical prodding and poking, but by the time that I felt it, it was all over. Certainly no worse than a flu jab.
 

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So I have just had the AstraZeneca COVID-19 Vaccination, about ten minutes ago. It was very quick. They check your details, ask some medical questions, then they give it to you. It was a very slick and well organised operation. From arrival to jab took less than five minutes :D

I’m not very keen on any medical prodding and poking, but by the time that I felt it, it was all over. Certainly no worse than a flu jab.
Got mine in exactly 24 hours. I'm like you, I don't like the prodding especially with shiny needles. But if it wasn't too bad, I am at least somewhat reassured....
 

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I had an AZ dose on Saturday. Yesterday my temperature was up by 0.5C and I was a bit tired. I'm fine today.
 

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I'm just curious if anyone on here has had the same batch number as me?

AZ batch 41202003.

That particular batch number seems to be cropping up quite a lot in the photos people are posting online of the cards they get given when the needle maniacs have been at them.
 
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