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A career as a train driver

JosieJody

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Good evening ya’ll,

I am considering a shunter role as a route into the railway. What does a typical shift actually look like and how realistic is progression into mainline driving eventually. Would be very grateful to hear from any shunters out there. Many thanks.
 
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Which company, location, etc, are you considering?
 

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The term shunter driver could be viewed differently across the whole of the UK and hopefully someone in the Brighton area specifically can comment and answer your question as it appears that’s where you want to apply for.

Where I work
- 15 to 20 trains arrive a night that need to be put in maintenance sheds or departure roads
- they’ll be cleaned, checked by maintenance staff and then have a driver do brake tests /door tests /check under sole bar/ headlights / safety systems are not isolated/ fire tests work/ amongst other stuff.
- points are manually operated so climbing up and down trains all shift
- 5 to 10 miles walked the normality.

Naturally trains on a maintenance depot may be broken so there is a lot of shunting trains around with isolated brakes.
Working in degraded mode when train systems aren’t working.
As above trains will be broken so faultfinding is used which comes with training to get the trains moving again.

The ability to work in a team is key as the job gets done at busy teams when everybody comes together as one but also have to be confident working alone to as ultimately you are driving / preparing that train and depots are hazardous and come with a lot of pressurised situations when arrivals come in thick and fast.

Communication skills are vital as generally use a radio to speak to fellow drivers, supervisors, cleaners and signallers.

High levels of concentration, self awareness are needed and will enhance your skills too being in the role.

The job definitely gives you experiences that translates to the mainline and some people are happy on depots as it could be considered more laid back as it is out of the way and not on the frontline en countering passengers and the issues that railway network sees day in day out.

Bit short on time atm and would like to write more and elaborate on more stuff.
 

Trains101

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Hi all, just wondering what is better to work for. Freight company or passenger. In terms of driving.

What I am looking for is which has better shift patterns. Which has better scheduling. Which one is stricter in terms of timing and or safety. Do either drug and alcohol test you regularly? Is one harder than the other other?

Just general query’s really would love to hear some responses from people in industry. Many thanks
 

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If you like knowing your start/finish times and what days you're working weeks/months in advance (except for slight movements of spare turns) then you want to be on passenger trains. T&Cs are generally better, pension and travel perks are better too.

Freight work is more susceptible to changes as they gain/lose contracts etc.

Drugs and alcohol policy will be the same regardless - Zero tolerance.

Safety and standards of Driving expected will be high regardless of what you're driving apart from the odd rogue operator that springs up from time to time.
 
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LoveNoThotties

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I've recently become interested in a train driver role.

Can somebody give me some tips for signing up to job notifications and where to mainly look for them etc.
 
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I've recently become interested in a train driver role.

Can somebody give me some tips for signing up to job notifications and where to mainly look for them etc.
Depending where you live, look at TOCS/FOCS which have depots within an hour of your home. Once you’ve found these (look on master thread for depots on the companies which operate locally) constantly look at this website as jobs get posted fairly quickly, and sign up for notifications on the companies website. Although from past experience sometimes the notification email may not come through so just check once/twice a week!
 

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Hello guys
I have my stage 2 assessment day on Friday and I was just wondering if anyone could tell me what the 6 core MMI questions are
 

Ladybird

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Hello guys
I have my stage 2 assessment day on Friday and I was just wondering if anyone could tell me what the 6 core MMI questions are
It really depends on the TOC, mine were:
  1. Give an example of a time which demonstrates you can be relied upon to do a job well, even when in the face of difficulties?
  2. Give an example of a time when you had to do a task where it was important to not make a mistake.
  3. Give an example of a time you have been required to follow strict rules and procedures?
  4. Describe a situation where you have had to take control of a pressurised or emergency situation?
  5. Give an example of a situation where you have had to really preserve to learn or achieve something?
  6. Give an example of a task you have undertaken that you think is similar to a task within the train driver role
 

Sotac464

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It really depends on the TOC, mine were:
  1. Give an example of a time which demonstrates you can be relied upon to do a job well, even when in the face of difficulties?
  2. Give an example of a time when you had to do a task where it was important to not make a mistake.
  3. Give an example of a time you have been required to follow strict rules and procedures?
  4. Describe a situation where you have had to take control of a pressurised or emergency situation?
  5. Give an example of a situation where you have had to really preserve to learn or achieve something?
  6. Give an example of a task you have undertaken that you think is similar to a task within the train driver role
That is them, people ask this question so many times, all it takes is a bit of research on these forums, they have been posted countless times and really haven't changed in 10 plus years.
 

LoveNoThotties

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Depending where you live, look at TOCS/FOCS which have depots within an hour of your home. Once you’ve found these (look on master thread for depots on the companies which operate locally) constantly look at this website as jobs get posted fairly quickly, and sign up for notifications on the companies website. Although from past experience sometimes the notification email may not come through so just check once/twice a week!
Thanks for the help, is there a way to find the nearest TOCS/FOCS via a website at all?
 

Jaytee1977

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It really depends on the TOC, mine were:
  1. Give an example of a time which demonstrates you can be relied upon to do a job well, even when in the face of difficulties?
  2. Give an example of a time when you had to do a task where it was important to not make a mistake.
  3. Give an example of a time you have been required to follow strict rules and procedures?
  4. Describe a situation where you have had to take control of a pressurised or emergency situation?
  5. Give an example of a situation where you have had to really preserve to learn or achieve something?
  6. Give an example of a task you have undertaken that you think is similar to a task within the train driver role
Yeah they were the questions I got asked. I was doing well answered the first 5 I think really well then the last question the interviewer decided not to use the example I provided and asked me to think of another example. I got a little bit flustered bumbled my way through. I'm sure he could tell he rattled me as my vocabulary changed from focussed determined things like that to ok happy and content. Hopefully I still answered it in a way that hot the points and marks he was after in that question. The main thing was I managed to come up with an example and embellish on it . Day 7 waiting to find out how I got on. The wait is killing me
 

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Yeah they were the questions I got asked. I was doing well answered the first 5 I think really well then the last question the interviewer decided not to use the example I provided and asked me to think of another example. I got a little bit flustered bumbled my way through. I'm sure he could tell he rattled me as my vocabulary changed from focussed determined things like that to ok happy and content. Hopefully I still answered it in a way that hot the points and marks he was after in that question. The main thing was I managed to come up with an example and embellish on it . Day 7 waiting to find out how I got on. The wait is killing me
Day 7? So they didn't tell you on the day, I got told straight away after my MMI although that was with Southeastern. Sounds very harsh keeping you waiting this long.
 

Ladybird

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Yeah they were the questions I got asked. I was doing well answered the first 5 I think really well then the last question the interviewer decided not to use the example I provided and asked me to think of another example. I got a little bit flustered bumbled my way through. I'm sure he could tell he rattled me as my vocabulary changed from focussed determined things like that to ok happy and content. Hopefully I still answered it in a way that hot the points and marks he was after in that question. The main thing was I managed to come up with an example and embellish on it . Day 7 waiting to find out how I got on. The wait is killing me
I changed most of my answers on the day of my interview. They said they will let me know within 7-10 days. But I received an email the next day saying I’ve passed, all the best for you!
 
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I’m currently looking into the psychological and physiological side effects of working as a Train Driver.
While fatigue from shift work is often discussed (and may be a contributing factor), other effects are rarely mentioned.

The role is very different from say a static office-based role and could be described as a sustained assault on the senses.
It requires maintaining a highly vigilant state—being constantly alert and hyper-aware, while also remaining calm, relaxed and controlled for long periods.
Add to this continuous exposure to noise, vibration, bumps etc over miles of travel & the ever variable shift patterns - it raises the question of what longer-term effects this may have on the body and nervous system.

I’m interested in whether others have experienced similar or different effects & how they have dealt with them - such as:

- a lingering sense of motion after finishing shifts (as if still on the train, sometimes lasting days or even weeks)

- difficulty “switching off” the heightened alertness once off duty- jittery in day to day life

- feeling physically unsteady, particularly when walking or driving after a shift (yet actual balance is fine)

- driving a car feels so unnatural, as if it conflicts with the body’s adapted sense of motion from the Train

- visual after-effects, where eyes are accustomed to scanning long distances struggle to adjust to close reading, scrolling on a phone etc- sometimes causing dizziness

For example, during periods of lower workload on the train, if there is a sudden jolt or rough section of track, it can trigger an immediate spike in alertness. At times, that heightened response seems to carry over even when off duty.

Something unnatural such as sitting in swivel office chair feels so alien and gives a roller coaster like sensation even though its hardly moving.

Yet when back on duty driving, all senses return to normal as though the body is now back in its natural environment.

Second to that but on a similar note, because you have been travelling all week- once you have a rest day do you feel like you just want to relax and not travel anywhere ? Or do you have a normal, active downtime...
 
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Other Drivers may have different answers and opinions but thinking about my own career.....

1. No.
2. No.
3. No.
5. No.
6. If an unusual bump is felt and dealt with (either discounted as nothing or reported to the Signaller as a potential track defect) I can't say I've even carried into the next trip let alone beyond the end of work. The only incident I took home was the shock of a fatality.
7. Never had that.

Are you new to driving? If it's something you are struggling with, have you discussed this with managers? It's a high concentration with low stimulus environment that is known to not be particularly healthy or kind to the body but it's not a fighter jet and you should be able to adapt to the way of life train driving brings. I would be worried about a Driver who can't switch off after a normal day at work and this doesn't sound normal to me.
 

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I used to work on the maintenance on rolling stock with depot driving duties too...

Initially I loved the job, the shifts etc etc .. but my personal view is the little things are overlooked by management which greatly adds to your workload..

For example the class 390 pendolino new refurb had additional daily exam tasks which we wasn't given extra allocated time for ?
Newer rolling stock had simple things overlooked , such as the catering water tanks , the level indicators were on the set , so you was constantly on/off the set checking, where as the older stock had a gauge externally.

These are only a few minor examples but with issues like that , the increased use of tablets/phones and the changes to the shift pattern... With more back to back shift changes , IE finish a 12hour sat/sun days weekend 6pm Sunday ..then back on nights for 4 nights 7:30pm Monday night ..

I have left the industry now ... The work/life balance didn't work for me and I certainly noticed others struggling too..
 

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Other Drivers may have different answers and opinions but thinking about my own career.....

1. No.
2. No.
3. No.
5. No.
6. If an unusual bump is felt and dealt with (either discounted as nothing or reported to the Signaller as a potential track defect) I can't say I've even carried into the next trip let alone beyond the end of work. The only incident I took home was the shock of a fatality.
7. Never had that.

Are you new to driving? If it's something you are struggling with, have you discussed this with managers? It's a high concentration with low stimulus environment that is known to not be particularly healthy or kind to the body but it's not a fighter jet and you should be able to adapt to the way of life train driving brings. I would be worried about a Driver who can't switch off after a normal day at work and this doesn't sound normal to me.
I’m not a driver but aspiring to be one. Referring to your number 6, sorry about that experience with the fatality. Can I ask what help is given to drivers that are unfortunate to have that experience? How long ago was this and how often does this happen?
 

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I’m not a driver but aspiring to be one. Referring to your number 6, sorry about that experience with the fatality. Can I ask what help is given to drivers that are unfortunate to have that experience? How long ago was this and how often does this happen?

It was a long time ago now but you would be given time off, offered counselling sessions and a supported return to work if necessary. At one time we were able to claim £1000 from the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority but that was stopped in 2010 although I believe many operators replaced it with their own scheme. I don't know what the national statistics are for this kind of incident happening but on my patch we seem to have had a small uptick through this year.
 

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I can’t say I’ve experienced any of your questions but agree with driver9000 re the fatality- for me I couldn’t switch off for the first few days it did feel like I was ‘wired’.
 

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I can’t say any of these affected me in 27 years of driving trains. You just accustom yourself to it like you do in all aspects of life. Somethings are strange at first but then it becomes the norm.
 

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Your questions are all valid but in my opinion you are overthinking this all way too much. Have you had balance or medical issues before? None of the above should be an issue.
 

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I think all your points are valid and they do affect alot of drivers especially at depots with high work loads. Alot of drivers wouldn't admit it right enough.
 

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I read this today on the bus and train user blog. From an anonymous driver, I mean im sure some of it is true but it paints a pretty bleak future about wanting to become one.


"Why is a position that pays £70,000 per annum short of people?"

There are a whole host of reasons, starting with the weird and wonderful requirements companies have when recruiting into any role nowadays; I suspect far too many viable candidates fall or give up at the first hurdle because it’s just not worth the hassle.

Medical requirements for train driving are onerous and fail far more people than they pass.

Then you start looking at the job itself.

Shift patterns are bad (not as bad as the bus industry, to be fair, but let’s not compare apples with oranges) which mean that a lot of people simply won’t consider them – you’d be amazed how many drop out when they realise that, yes, trains on Saturdays (let alone Sundays!) need crews. And yes, you’ll be working anti-social hours, you don’t get bank holidays, you get allocated your holidays each year (yes, you can swap with other staff, but…), the standard shift pattern is a week of “earlies” followed by a week of “lates”, although “earlies” just means starting before midday and “lates” just means you don’t start early morning (I’ve known “late” duties starting at 0730), and the weekly switchover means you can finish at 0300 Sunday morning after a ****e Saturday evening shift and be back at 0300 Monday morning with your sleep pattern totally screwed.

Driving itself is boring. You have a throttle lever and a brake lever (sometimes combined) and that’s pretty much it. Other than that you have little to do beyond monitoring the outside world and being expected to respond instantly something happens despite being bored stupid. What you don’t have are the constant inputs you have when driving on the roads: you’re not steering, you’re not constantly monitoring other road users, and so on.

Whilst being bored stiff, there’s always the knowledge in the back of your mind that you have the responsibility for potentially hundreds of lives; it takes a certain personality to be able to compartmentalise that and not be distracted by it.

You’re given a long training course where you get taught loads of stuff – I felt like I could strip an engine down lineside if needed at the end of my training – but you’re not allowed to use any of it. A TOC I used to work for had signs in the cabs saying “In the event of train failure do not carry out fault finding. Contact control for advice” – even checking to see if a circuit breaker had tripped was banned! It’s demoralising.

Welfare facilities are poor; the railway considers a room with 20 seats for up to a hundred staff, a single kettle for everyone, a single microwave and “access to a toilet” to be a reasonable break facility even if it’s in a yard in the middle of nowhere or half-a-mile from the station you arrived at – and you’ll be given the bare minimum time to get there and back, which means inward delays will result in outward delays. Delays are demoralising too, especially as you’ll rarely know why there was a delay.

Timetabling is poor and getting worse. The last company I worked for brought in a brand new timetable created by external consultants which deleted allowances based on decades of local adjustments and also ignored all infrastructure requirements such as time allowed for level crossing operation at stations – if it takes over a minute for the barriers to activate, lower and the signal to clear then it’s useless scheduling the train to have a 30-second stop. Who was it who got phone calls after every trip demanding to know why the trains lost time? Yep, the drivers. The guards had it worse: they were getting phone calls during the trip taking them away from their other duties such as customer service. Strangely the company refused to accept that the timetable was simply wrong.

I wonder whether the unions have a straightjacket on the training regime to protect their bargaining power?

No, they don’t. The unions have zero say over what training regime the companies introduce.
The companies choose to do the bare minimum of recruitment and training they can get away with, and from experience they do stupid things like transferring work from depot A to depot B without first training staff at depot B, meaning depot A ends up covering the work plus travelling time and it takes twice as many drivers as before. Oh, and depot B loses drivers to training which means they can’t cover their own workload!

If you go back to the preparations for privatisation ASLEF (RMT is basically irrelevant to drivers) proposed keeping both a national training infrastructure and national pay bargaining.
The government of the day insisted that BR refuse, training infrastructure was binned exacerbating the existing driver shortage and that’s why we ended up with driver salaries shooting up as market forces came into play when companies starting poaching drivers off each other.

ASLEF did get into a tie-in with Virgin to set up a driver training school, Millennium Drivers, but unfortunately the general Virgin ethos of the day that everything-BR-was-wrong quickly came to the fore and Millennium got a very bad reputation for poorly trained candidates so it didn’t last long.

Everything a driver does on the train is monitored and you will be criticised for details you have no way of knowing.

Example: train speedos are graduated in 5mph increments and are allegedly accurate to within 2 mph, so you get a 2 mph allowance (at any speed – no 10%+3mph here!). The data recorders record the speed in decimals of mph. If you’re recorded running at 77.1 mph over a 75 mph speed limit for a mile or so, that’s a meeting-without-tea-or-biscuits and a threat of disciplinary action, despite the fact that all you can tell is the needle is just over 75 – and on many trains it’ll be flickering too

The old railway used to have an instruction in the Working Timetable that, in the event of late running, drivers were to use the full capabilities of their train in order to make up time, which meant using full throttle and full brake. Do that today and you will get booked for having “aggressive driving” or “having lost control” of your train.

Attitudes to safety are utterly confused. Example: if a driver has a mobile phone on flight mode in their bag where they can’t see or hear it, that’s a distraction and a disciplinary offence – but if someone is standing behind the driving cab having a screaming argument on their phone and thumping the cab wall, that’s not a distraction at all and the driver should just deal with it.

Oh, and you can sometimes be forgiven for thinking that the railway hates drivers.

Example: if a driver makes a mistake and passes a red signal, that’s a Signal Passed at Danger. That’s fair, no complaints. However, if there’s a technical fault or a signaller incorrectly changes a signal to red in front of you and you blast past it at 100 mph, that’s a Signal Passed at Red. The railway industry believes that it’s only dangerous to pass a red signal if it’s the driver’s fault, regardless of what has happened to cause that signal to go back to red.

Another example: there’s an ongoing campaign by the railway to fit monitoring CCTV in cabs. That’s not forward facing cameras or even cameras overlooking the cab as a whole; it’s cameras specifically intended to monitor driver’s faces to see if at any time in the up-to-five-hours they’re in the driving seat without a break that driver’s attention moves away from the windscreen – even checking the speedo would trigger it. Why?

How about headlights? The industry always claims that headlights are not for drivers to see with, only for people working trackside to identify an oncoming train. So, those bright lights you see on the front of trains? They’re utterly useless for seeing anything with – but they do blind oncoming drivers.
Remember “Don’t dazzle, dip your headlights?” from the TV in the 1970s? Doesn’t apply to the railway. At night, between burningly-bright LED signals and equally horrendous headlights, you’re driving in an almost permanently dazzled state.
But if anything goes wrong, well, it’s your fault for not keeping a proper lookout. The RSSB did lab tests 20+ years ago which “proved” train drivers weren’t being dazzled, so drivers who complain are just lying.

And then there’s dealing with the passengers, which as far as the companies are concerned is not part of the drivers’ role – but the passengers don’t get given the memo.

People don’t realise that the driver has access to far less information than anyone sat in the train, they expect drivers to magically answer questions and unfortunately some get very, very stroppy when we can’t.

It’s not at all unusual for a driver not to know all the stops a train will make; if they’re only working part of the trip, they only get the stops for the section they drive. They may not even be told where the train terminates!

If a driver gets off a train at a terminus, if they’re not working it back out it’s unlikely they’ll have any idea what the train is doing next because they don’t get told.
And so on. Passengers, unsurprisingly, don’t know about things like that and assume that we’re just being awkward when we say “I’m sorry, I don’t know”.
Again, it’s demoralising.

We haven’t even looked at other safety risks. In my career I’ve had suicides, I’ve had fatal accidents because people thought a train was something they could race, I’ve had fires, I’ve had medical emergencies, I’ve had more near misses with people than I can shake a stick at, I’ve killed umpteen wild animals (a pigeon exploding on your windscreen at 100 mph is utterly gross).

About the only thing you can be certain of as a train driver is that these things will happen at some time – and they always occur in the most awkward place possible. You get great support after a fatality – but you get disciplined if you’re off too long after any other incident even if it’s triggered issues from past incidents.

Some people can’t cope with the idea of that sort of stuff, but it doesn’t become real until they’re actually out driving trains and the first incident happens. I know of an incident where a driver had to be lifted out of the seat and carried out of the cab after hitting sheep because they’d physically frozen and couldn’t stand up.

Oh, and it’s a dead end job. There are no real promotion opportunities for drivers. You’re in that cab until you retire, so if it’s not perfect for you…

Train driving is a great long-term option if it’s a job you can settle into and can teach yourself to ignore all the many little things which are demoralising.

If not, and a lot of people can’t, then it’s absolutely not a good option – but the high salary means that a lot of drivers want out but are trapped by that salary; they can’t get jobs which would allow them to move on.

Because of all the above you end up with fatigued, stressed, unhappy individuals (which in itself is a recipe for high sickness levels); add on companies which won’t recruit adequate numbers of staff, so there’s always shortages, and who generally treat those staff as both juvenile delinquents and rabid imbeciles at the same time, and you also end up with an industry that is struggling to both recruit and retain active, committed staff.

There’s a rumour that something like 40% of train drivers nationally are due to retire in the next decade because of unbalanced recruitment.
 

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Sounds like a disgruntled driver needing an outlet to get something off his/her chest. The initial question posed ‘Why is a position that pays £70,000 per annum short of people’ isn’t answered in anyway with all the complaints as people entering or thinking about entering the profession don’t really knowing about those specific issues. They then pretty much undo most of their arguments with the last statement around 40% of drivers being due for retirement…that says to me that retention is very high, despite the issues.
 

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Personally the above driver post can be said for most jobs if the reason you join are mostly centered around the money.

If you can join a job that primarily offers they money as a bonus ontop of other things then you'll cope much better as its not exactly a "Job" to you.
 

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