BanburyBlue
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I left a bag in Southampton Cruise terminal once (my fault) , and they wanted £80/90 to get it back to me. So the amount charged here sounds quite reasonable.
it would mean people would have no complaint about a charge if they knew it existed in the first place!
So would them saying that they would charge you for returning your property make any differenc as to whether you accidentally left it behind? I doubt it.
The whole issue of lost property (let's call it abandoned items) has changed enormously since the '70/'80s. Way back before then, a bag/rucksack would be seen by most as a wanted possession that somebody mislaid. More recently, we have seen malicious devices disguised as lost property used to commit acts of terrorism. The majority of the travelling public might feel wary of moving it, (unless they wanted the seat to sit in) so it is left to end of line/shift staff to do something about it. Not so long ago, it meant bringing in the bomb disposal teams to make things safe. In some areas, the act of neglecting to remove possessions carried a penalty so "I genuinely forgot" is no defence.
In simple terms, leaving posessions (whether wanted or not) in modern times is an act of extreme irresponsibility and to comolain about being charged for its safe recovery is at best ungrateful, - at worst, it is antisocial.
Not to the security staff....There's a world of difference between abandoned and forgotton.
I left a bag in Southampton Cruise terminal once (my fault) , and they wanted £80/90 to get it back to me. So the amount charged here sounds quite reasonable.
It's their own fault for leaving the bag on the train. Pointless story.
Yes, it is on LNER. I could not say for certain regarding XC.Would it have been free if she had gone to the station and collected it herself ?
Pointless comment.
Reality is that people do forget things, why did it take two weeks?
My daughter left her phone at Bluewater shopping centre and somebody kindly handed in to security and she collected it later the same day, no charge.
Doesn't seem too complicated.Trains move, unlike Bluewater Shopping Centre.
As has been discussed in this thread, the lost property was most likely only found on the return to Birmingham. As Birmingham is a big station, with a lot of lost property to handle, it would have taken roughly a day for everything to be logged etc. Then, one has to wait for the lost property request to come through. I assume it would have come originally from the person who lost the bag to CrossCountry. They would then have had to contact departments at Bristol, Birmingham and other places (Cheltenham, Manchester) to see if anyone had picked up something matching the description. This all takes time because different companies operated different stations and certain jobs (like lost property) are further sub-contracted, meaning a lot of searching has to be done to find out exactly where this bag has ended up.
Once the bag has been found, it has to be transported down and some of the costs incurred on administration and transport are billed.
What it boils down to is that the railways are far more complicated than Bluewater.
Doesn't seem too complicated.
Someone lost a bag and then got it back
Trains move, unlike Bluewater Shopping Centre.
As has been discussed in this thread, the lost property was most likely only found on the return to Birmingham. As Birmingham is a big station, with a lot of lost property to handle, it would have taken roughly a day for everything to be logged etc. Then, one has to wait for the lost property request to come through. I assume it would have come originally from the person who lost the bag to CrossCountry. They would then have had to contact departments at Bristol, Birmingham and other places (Cheltenham, Manchester) to see if anyone had picked up something matching the description. This all takes time because different companies operated different stations and certain jobs (like lost property) are further sub-contracted, meaning a lot of searching has to be done to find out exactly where this bag has ended up.
Once the bag has been found, it has to be transported down and some of the costs incurred on administration and transport are billed.
What it boils down to is that the railways are far more complicated than Bluewater.
So why not lock the bag in a cupboard wherever it was found and then inform the owner who can then make their own arrangements about collecting it?
I fondly recall the day that I left my wallet on a table on the Blackpool to Harwich train (remember that?) in 1987 when I got off at Peterborough.
Expecting all sorts of dire outcomes when I went to the ticket office there I was, later, most pleasantly surprised to find that it had been recovered at Ely, returned to Peterborough and was waiting for me when I returned that afternoon.
No charge. These things happen to the best of us and this story perhaps illustrates the change from a mindset of helpfulness to one of commercialism.
This is unfortunate.
I once left an umbrella worth about £10 on a train from Leeds to Birmingham - easily done when the weather in the Midlands was rather brighter than in Yorkshire.
I never pursued it as I assumed that it would be cheaper to buy a new one than follow the lost property route. Lost property charges need to be in proportion otherwise people will decline to collect items of low value, which just end up as clutter.
I don't think £29 is a reasonable charge. For any such charge to be enforceable there has to be an agency of necessity - as clearly there is no contract in place. In such cases, only such costs as are reasonable may be incurred; sending an item of luggage to another place via an expensive means of transport is far from reasonable in my opinion.
At the very least they should have contacted the owner and asked if he wanted to pick up the bag himself or whether he would prefer to have it sent somewhere. Just randomly sending the bag to Birmingham means that, in line with the principles from ENE Kos 1 Ltd v Petroleo Brasileiro SA [2012] 2 AC 164 and Great Northern Railway Co v Swaffield (1874) LR 9 Ex 132, only such charges as are reasonably required can be recovered.
Virtually every train I've been on since 2010 has had some form of "please remember to take all your belongings with you when leaving the train".
I think the phrase used is "please remember to take all your personal belongings with you when leaving the train". Quite what that extra word is for I haven't got a clue.
Even then - I would have thought the passenger would succeed in claiming back the £24 cost of sending the bag to Birmingham, given they never asked EBC to do so.I accidentally left a case on a train last year, and Excess Baggage Company allowed me to collect the item from them with a small admin fee (which I believe was £5).
I'd expect having an item posted to me to cost considerably more, given the courier costs, the fact you'd have to wrap the parcel for transit, and the general staff and overhead costs.
Even then - I would have thought the passenger would succeed in claiming back the £24 cost of sending the bag to Birmingham, given they never asked EBC to do so.
It's not clear whether the passenger asked for the bag to be sent to Bristol, and keeping it in Birmingham is counter to XC's published lost property policy.£24 was the cost of sending it from Birmingham to Bristol. Not to Birmingham.
It's not clear whether the passenger asked for the bag to be sent to Bristol, and keeping it in Birmingham is counter to XC's published lost property policy.
Only a fiver at Southend Airport! And that was after leaving my tablet onboard the aircraft.I let an iPad at Heathrow Airport security and was charged £10 to pick it up the next day. It seems a fair charge, given it was my fault for leaving the thing.
I think the phrase used is "please remember to take all your personal belongings with you when leaving the train". Quite what that extra word is for I haven't got a clue.