Nathan
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I've never come across this problem before, i dont see all the fuss...
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I've never come across this problem before, i dont see all the fuss...
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thefab444
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Fred always does that, he's just slagging off 450s cos if he says 455s are good people take the **** more than they do out of me or you Nathan for liking 444s.
TBH 455s are ok for what they do, but they're slow buggers (75mph IIRC) and completely irrelevant but I don't like their livery. That said, the seats are better inside.
I've yet to go on a 444 or 450 that has failed AirCon, whereas 159s and 442s suffer a lot from failed AC - though I must say 159s are nowhere near as bad as their bretheren 158s?
It was some how funny that on Sunday, at Salisbury, SWT had about 10 159s, most of them refurbs, sitting about in the depot enjoying some spring sunshire, and our train comes in, a packed 2-car 158 with no AC! Who says they favour London.
John
PS You can tell the unit in the first pic is originally 450015 as the nameplate is too short for it to be 450042s and to small to be 450114s. How sad LOL.
TBH 455s are ok for what they do, but they're slow buggers (75mph IIRC) and completely irrelevant but I don't like their livery. That said, the seats are better inside.
I've yet to go on a 444 or 450 that has failed AirCon, whereas 159s and 442s suffer a lot from failed AC - though I must say 159s are nowhere near as bad as their bretheren 158s?
It was some how funny that on Sunday, at Salisbury, SWT had about 10 159s, most of them refurbs, sitting about in the depot enjoying some spring sunshire, and our train comes in, a packed 2-car 158 with no AC! Who says they favour London.
John
PS You can tell the unit in the first pic is originally 450015 as the nameplate is too short for it to be 450042s and to small to be 450114s. How sad LOL.
kettlefan
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the last time I rode on a 455 I had the roughest ride I've ever had the misfortune to experience.
Power take up: BANG!!!
They are more plastic inside than 450s, and the front end looks like something that should really be tunnelling beneath Manhatten on the subway
To be honest, although I would rather have a slam door unit on the Addlestone branch, I do think 450s are quite nice looking units, despite being like ovens. 444s to me just look...odd, maybe its the white livery? I don't really know, they just look wrong!
on the subject of the EEEeeeEEEeeeEEE noise, what is it? 960012 theorised it was the AC motors running on DC (or vice versa I'm not sure which way round). I know some motor control gear can cause a whining sound like that, I built a speed controller (obviously un-comparable to a units control gear) that did exactly that, but that was running on DC.
anyone know?
Power take up: BANG!!!
They are more plastic inside than 450s, and the front end looks like something that should really be tunnelling beneath Manhatten on the subway
To be honest, although I would rather have a slam door unit on the Addlestone branch, I do think 450s are quite nice looking units, despite being like ovens. 444s to me just look...odd, maybe its the white livery? I don't really know, they just look wrong!
on the subject of the EEEeeeEEEeeeEEE noise, what is it? 960012 theorised it was the AC motors running on DC (or vice versa I'm not sure which way round). I know some motor control gear can cause a whining sound like that, I built a speed controller (obviously un-comparable to a units control gear) that did exactly that, but that was running on DC.
anyone know?
thefab444
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Never been on one of these ovens, but Slammers could get pretty hot if stuck somewhere in the summer.
the last time I rode on a 455 I had the roughest ride I've ever had the misfortune to experience.
Power take up: BANG!!!
They are more plastic inside than 450s, and the front end looks like something that should really be tunnelling beneath Manhatten on the subway
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Excuse me 455s dont have a bang and are uncomftable there nice to ride in for 45 minutes through south london!
You've cotradicted youself. You 1st said that 455's were uncomfortable, then you said that they were nice to ride on
Which is it? Uncomfortable, or nice
thefab444
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Ok but slow. IMO.
You've cotradicted youself. You 1st said that 445's were uncomfortable, then you said that they were nice to ride on
Which is it? Uncomfortable, or nice
Can I add another option for the "445's". How about "Non-Existent"?
nath9425
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Oh of course!! We have all heard of a *445* I think! Is that a bad Siemens Desiro disaster!! With No air con of course I mean 158's are worse for Working Air Con but 445's, well they are just appalling!!
I mean 158's are worse for Working Air Con but 445's, well they are just appalling!!thefab444
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Believe a 445 is either a 2PEP or 4PEP, prototype units for the 313/314/315/507/508 series of units.
447 however, could be a 10-car Weymouth line unit... with good buffet.
447 however, could be a 10-car Weymouth line unit... with good buffet.
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Tom
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The 447 is a 442 in a 10-car fixed formation.
kettlefan
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Fred, you know not all units are identical in characteristic don't you? just because one crashed through every piece of pointwork with me on it doesn't mean they are all terrible. This one was just incredibly s****t (it was a refurb btw), I'm sure there are some 455s around that are "ok". I occasionally wonder which 455 it was I slid down on a streak of a drunkards vomit. If it wasn't for the vomit it would have been an ok trip.
but the 450s are better...and thats saying something.
kettlefan
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No idea Kettlefan, luckily I live in the cooler (in more ways than 1) North
are you inciting my interest in DC motor control is a poor one?
Nathan
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ohh I dunno, i get get the occasional beats for mentioning 444s. Stephen hurts, Tom just...err - I dont think there is a good expression for being worse weak
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Tom
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I verbally slag you off.
16CSVT2700
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Unit froth :tongue1:
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Tom
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I bet that hurts...!
Sadly it does no damage against the outer defences however he knows that all your base are belong to us.
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Tom
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Only because you're a lazy bugger and won't go to Millbrook :roll:
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Tom
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Sounds about right to me. The original post had purpose!
LucaZone
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does anybody realise that for 450999 to be real, there would need to be 3996vehicles to make up all the sets?
Nope, meaning:
1, Not as hot temperatures as in the South
2, Not as many crap units, traction etc up here
devon_metro
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The south has brand spanking new units.
The north has knackered old sprinters and pacers!
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