80x differences

[Clarence Yard]

Good luck to anyone that tries. In my experience it's a closed shop of people that will revert your edits back to incorrect information even if you provide evidence.

Been there, suffered that with wiki - never again!

801 was at one time suggested for the ECTL units but the lack of a Diesel engine got them put into a different class.

 

[TRAX]

The traction/braking systems are largely unchanged, so if you could couple one of every class together you could have full power brake control, the irregularities come from this never having been tested, and each operators fleet software being developed independently of each other due to the specific requirements.

Yes indeed, the traction package is the same as on the very first 357/375 Electrostars, the motors being the same ABB design (of course later rebranded as Bombardier products) until the very last Electrostar built, 387.174.

 

[Speed43125]

387s are a bit different though, as they're more of a hybrid Electrostar–Aventra train. There are key differences in how the train runs, at least from a software perspective, that distinguishes them

That is quite interesting, thanks for that.
Whats less interesting is the numbering for all the different full on Aventras - that is an utter mess I hope will get reclassified at some point - perhaps along the lines of 700-707 desiro city, 708 - 713 Aventra etc

 

[Mordac]

Good luck to anyone that tries. In my experience it's a closed shop of people that will revert your edits back to incorrect information even if you provide evidence.

That's my experience as well, and not just for railway related stuff. I gave up after some guy was threatening to have me banned because I edited the Royal Air Maroc article to provide correct information, but which he didn't judge to be sourced in the correct way. I remember a massive struggle in 2017 to actually allow the London Midland (as it was then) article to display that they did operate class 150s, and producing source after source, all of which were dismissed for spurious reasons.

 

[cjmillsnun]

delete.

 

[jonty14]

Could an LNER Azuma work in multiple with a TPE one or is there software differences preventing this?

 

[Gaz55]

Are there slight differences in the at seat power for the different classes. The 800s and 801s seem to have 3 pin sockets in standard, USB and 3 pin in first. 802s have USB in standard and first, as well as 3 pin?

 

[swt_passenger]

Could an LNER Azuma work in multiple with a TPE one or is there software differences preventing this?

I think there were reports of them (TPE/LNER) working in multiple to or from Eastleigh, prior to service; there were also mentions of TPE and HT working together in the Newcastle area on test.

(That’s from a quick scan through the TPE 802 delivery thread.)

Whether that continues to work now after delivery to the TOCs I don’t know. It’s stuff like onboard displays and announcements that will usually fail - but I doubt they’d ever need that if the idea is rescue.

 

[Railperf]

Right, hopefully this is the very last time I will have to say this. Please disregard anything that might be said on wiki - it has been consistently wrong on this since introduction on GWR.

The GWR 800 and 802 classes have identical engines, with identical power output. They were all 700kw output on entering passenger service and the acceleration curve has been the subject of at least two software mods since introduction, carried out sequentially on both classes.

Nearly all of the 800 class (and all of the 802 class) were delivered with the larger 1550L fuel tanks from new. The other three (?) were retro fitted before entering passenger service.

The only significant difference between the GWR 800 and 802 classes is the roof mounted brake resistors on the latter.

As we understand it, GWR Class 800s and Class 802's have the same diesel engine output, and looks like TPE and Hull Trains outputs are the same too.

However ....we understand LNER Class 800 diesel engine settings are still at the original 700kW setting, and this has been confirmed by discussions with LNER sources.
What I don't know is whether the LNER Class 800's have larger furl tanks. But I am guessing not.

 

[cactustwirly]

Yes indeed, the traction package is the same as on the very first 357/375 Electrostars, the motors being the same ABB design (of course later rebranded as Bombardier products) until the very last Electrostar built, 387.174.

387s use different motors, than the earlier electrostars