That list is rather Networker heavy, though judging by your username I would imagine that you are a little biased in your choice!
That list is rather Networker heavy, though judging by your username I would imagine that you are a little biased in your choice!
The NRM only have a limited amount of space in which to securely store and to display items of historical interest and their problems over the last couple of decades with having insufficient space to keep all the items of the national collection as would be fitting of their historical importance have been well documented , so their should be a very selective attitude to their future preservation activities.
In the future, IMO the NRM should look to preserve 150001, 165001, 465001, 59001 and 66001, as well as a class 92.
I think that if anyone were to preserve an entire HST set, it would be the 125 Group we would be looking to, and the NRM would be more likely to take on just a single production power car; 43002 or 43198.
I was extremely disappointed that the NRM refused to take on 56006 when it was offered as not being historically significant enough.
It's been known for some time that 58050 was destined for a place in the National Collection, I am however very surprised that the NRM wish to take on two DBSOs, what with their limited space for storage and display outlined above.
That list is rather Networker heavy, though judging by your username I would imagine that you are a little biased in your choice!
The NRM only have a limited amount of space in which to securely store and to display items of historical interest and their problems over the last couple of decades with having insufficient space to keep all the items of the national collection as would be fitting of their historical importance have been well documented , so their should be a very selective attitude to their future preservation activities.
In the future, IMO the NRM should look to preserve 150001, 165001, 465001, 59001 and 66001, as well as a class 92.
I think that if anyone were to preserve an entire HST set, it would be the 125 Group we would be looking to, and the NRM would be more likely to take on just a single production power car; 43002 or 43198.
I was extremely disappointed that the NRM refused to take on 56006 when it was offered as not being historically significant enough.
It's been known for some time that 58050 was destined for a place in the National Collection, I am however very surprised that the NRM wish to take on two DBSOs, what with their limited space for storage and display outlined above.
I had never realised before that the 465s came from two different manufacturersIt may seem that way but 465/0s are different than 465/2s. Different traction motors, body detail differences, manufacturer. But fair enough I'm a Networker fanatic no denying it.
But I think there is a genuine reason to preserve them as they are a major part of the Network SouthEast era in railway history and the developments of suburban travel under there reign.
I also do not want to see a repeat performance, like with the EPBs where there's only one operational (although that is good) it would be nice to have a couple. A 465/0 and a 465/2.
I think that the NRM might end up making a choice of preserving one type over the other, and it'll be hopefully be up to other groups to preserve an example of the type that missed out on national collection status. Not that I have any way of knowing, of course, it's just conjecture.
Is there an example of an air-con mark 2 in the National Collection currently? A DBSO incorporates the greatest number of features of the mark 2 carriage design in a single vehicle; pretty much everything except an example of first class seating, so as a definitive example of the type it's about as complete as you can get.
I had never realised before that the 465s came from two different manufacturers
A 58 is an example of British practice in 1980s heavy freight locomotive design; BRELs' modular loco concept that they hoped to gain export orders for, though never did. As such I think that the 58 is a pretty definitive part of the evolution of freight locomotive design in Britain, though I think that the 56s are as equally deserving of a place in the National Collection as they were far more widespread across the country and truly allowed for the wholesale adoption of merry go round coal train operation that had been originally developed in the mid-sixties using class 47s and had such a big impact on what was probably the biggest industrial activity in Britain; that of coal extraction.I can see more than one complete HST being preserved, so i would'nt rule out the NRM having a whole train, maybe with a spare power car as i said above.
Im not surprised at the non-interest in 56006, it does'nt really tell a big enough story, and unless ive forgotten some major detail i can't see why they claimed a 58, i think the 59 and 60 can tell the story of modern freight engines, and again why a 92, if your thinking is about the channel tunnel then i would much rather see a Euro star power car or a shuttle power car in the museum, i think a 92 would be better off with the people that preserved the other AC locos, who im ashamed to say ive completely forgotten the name of!
Precisely: The NRM has to be more selective about what it preserves rather than taking an example of each variation within a class. I'm personally mightily surprised that 140001 didn't enter the National Collection (I don't think it's part of it, is it?) as the representative of the Pacer series of trains and then leave it at that.
It's pipped to the post in terms of age by a couple of the preserved "generators"; 47401, 47402, etc, with 47401 being the first of the class as D1500, the first class 47 to have been delivered.
Only if the Electric Railway Museum can develop some good quality, covered accomodation for its' rolling stock in the future, because as I understand it, their facilities at the moment are rather basic, and such a technical beasty as a Networker probably wouldn't fare well with open air storage.
Let's hope so, it's the sort of endeavour that I would be happy to put some money towards if I had the cash spare, and certainly loaning out their electric stock, current and future, to the Electric Railway Museum would be a pragmatic and realistic solution to the NRMs' space constraints.
