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400 children stranded at Oxford station for almost 9 hours

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http://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/display.var.1460891.0.400_children_stranded_at_station.php

400 children stranded at station
By Ellie Simmonds
Rail staff have been praised for helping more than 400 children left stranded in Oxford for almost nine hours.

The children, including some with special needs, were on their way home to Birmingham after a trip to Bath when their train's brakes failed near Oxford Station on its return journey on Saturday evening.

The youngsters were left on board for three-and-a-half hours without any water while engineers tried to repair the fault.


They were eventually let off after teachers protested at the delay, but had to be helped down from the train on to the tracks in the dark and led through the streets from near the Royal Mail depot, off Oxpens, to Oxford Station at 11pm.

Pc Bob Burrowes, of British Transport Police, said First Great Western offered to organise buses back to Birmingham but Riviera Trains, a private company carrying out the charter with train company EWS, said it would sort out transport home.

However, the promised number of buses did not arrive and those that did were late.

The children had to bed down on the floor at the now closed Oxford Station, overseen by station staff who had finished their shifts but remained to look after them along with officers from British Transport and Thames Valley forces.

Pc Burrowes said because not enough buses came, 40 of the 11 and 12-year-olds, along with some adults, were still at Oxford at about 3.30am. First Great Western staff then called taxis for the remaining stranded children, who left at about 4am.

Pc Burrowes said: "These children were on the train for three-and-a-half hours without water and hot air pumping in to the carriage.

"Getting children off a train in the dark and not at a station is no easy business.

"They were led Pied Piper style, a stream of 400 to 500 children, through the streets of Oxford late at night through the revellers.

"At the station FGW staff got them water but there was no food because the station had closed.

"There were 11 schools in total and some had pupils with ADHD (attention deficit and hyperactivity disorder) with no medication.

"It was an utter nightmare.

"Some of these children had a night on the floor at Oxford station, which they coped with remarkably well."

"Staff at Oxford Rail Station and First Great Western sorted out water for the children and offered to assist in organising a way home.

"Those working at Oxford worked incredibly professionally, many without pay.
"In relation to the management and organisation from the private operator we do not have a comment to make at this stage but we will be taking it further with the company concerned."

A First Great Western spokesman said four staff at Oxford Station stayed on after their shift while two others were called out to look after the children.

He said: "They did not want to see the kids stranded."
 
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I wonder how this one will get twisted so that FGW gets the blame
 

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For once FGW have no part in this farce, indeed it is admirable for the staff to stay on well beyond the end of their working day to help look after the children. They even offered to organise replacement bus services when it wasn't even their own train causing the farce! But what gets me is why they were left on the train for so long, especially with no water or other drinks to keep them cool.
 

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FGW have done nothing wrong. What they did should be applauded
 

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I like the way apreciation is shown for the railway's efforts. It's a shame the railway these days lacks spare stock for incidents like that.
 

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I like the way apreciation is shown for the railway's efforts. It's a shame the railway these days lacks spare stock for incidents like that.

The railway doesnt have spare stock at 11pm at night? Who are you kidding?
What the railway seems to seriously lack is any managerial skills whatsoever.
 
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I think it's more spare available stock available at short notice.
 

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FGW undoubtedly had available stock (Class 165/166 units) in the sidings at Oxford but:

...it isn't passed to work to Birmingham

...FGW drivers don't sign the route to Birmingham

...there probably weren't any spare drivers available at that time of night.

Funny, steam specials these days have to cart a spare diesel round with them all day, but not a diesel-hauled special, it seems.
 

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Why are FGW's 165s not passed to Birmingham?

They were never built for the work. Class 165/6s were built to be used out of Paddington to Suburban/outer stations on GWML to places like Bicester, Oxford etc. Never were intended to go north to Birmingham, so I guess they've not been passed up to Birmingham yet.

Although this blows out my theory seen as Chiltern ran 165s up to Snow Hill ;)
 

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i think they would be route cleared to brum as chiltern's 165's are, but the problem would be sourcing staff to operate the train especially late at night, chiltern drivers sign to oxford iirc but fgw drivers dont sign to banbury or what ever way the line goes.
 

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Would be far too much hassle - the units as said are indeed passed for the route, the traincrew however are not.

FGW also don't have guards for their 16xs on that route, so a Chiltern one would have to be sourced to work the train to Brum.
 

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Clarification: 165s (and presumably therefore 166s) are route-cleared to Birmingham (they operate to Banbury and Chiltern 165s/168s run from there to Brum) but FGW doesn't have a safety case for them north of Banbury.

What stock was this train using? I ask because there's been a train of ex-Anglia Mark IIs in the sidings at Didcot all this week.
 

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What stock was this train using? I ask because there's been a train of ex-Anglia Mark IIs in the sidings at Didcot all this week.

ex-Anglia Mark IIs. Rivieras "The Norfolkman" set
 

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Clarification: 165s (and presumably therefore 166s) are route-cleared to Birmingham (they operate to Banbury and Chiltern 165s/168s run from there to Brum) but FGW doesn't have a safety case for them north of Banbury.

Where are you getting this information from? FGW used to have a nationwide safety case and till about 2 years ago operated the through trains (165) to Stratford on Avon.
 

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They might also have a letter from the Queen and Lord Lucan thanking them for good service, but it doesn't mean they can produce a traincrew who know the road to Birmingham, at short notice, on a Saturday night
You also need a unit with enough fuel to not only make it to Birmingham and back, but take on all the diversions for engineering work in the process
Not as simple as you might think, Popeye ;)
 

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They might also have a letter from the Queen and Lord Lucan thanking them for good service, but it doesn't mean they can produce a traincrew who know the road to Birmingham, at short notice, on a Saturday night
You also need a unit with enough fuel to not only make it to Birmingham and back, but take on all the diversions for engineering work in the process
Not as simple as you might think, Popeye ;)

Now 50 years ago, where we still have shunters on duty late in yards, spare stock lying about and locos aplenty..
 

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Or take a spare driver and use the driver of the broken down train as a pilot?

As for the *train* not being passed to Birmingham - what happened to the standard loading gauge?
 
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It's all dependant on when the line was built Tom.

165s are I believe the widest DMU in the country...
 

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Yes, the 165s are 2.85m wide, compared to 2.82m which is the maximum for C1 loading gauge, and also they are 23.5m long, wheras C1 gauge stock is 20m long, and C3 loading gauge stock whilst around the same length is typically narrower, usually around 2.7m wide (normally, the longer the coach the narrower it is). 166s though are a little narrower and shorter, but still wide for their length. Oviously, the 165s are designed for use on the former Broad Gauge GW system and the Berne (continental) Gauge Great Central, which allows the larger dimensions.
 

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Now 50 years ago, where we still have shunters on duty late in yards, spare stock lying about and locos aplenty..

You'd still need to find a spare traincrew who signed the approriate route ;)

If somthing like this happend 50 years ago, when red tape was almost none-existant, I think the situation would have been handled much more efficiently. In situations such as that, blind eyes would be turned to things such as not being refreshed on a particular part of the route, and the passengers would have reached their destination. Nowadays, it is a different story, and really, there is no defence for the bureaucratic way in which things operate these-days.
I sound like a right grumpy old Bert :|
 

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Actually, Metcam, in Steam days, knowing the route was even more important.
You had to know when to build the fire up for a gradient, and how much to build it up by, to avoid blowing off after the gradient.
Same with water. Put plently of water in going down hill, so you had a full boiler to go up the other side.
 

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Couldn't Chiltern have helped out by running one of thier DMU sets to Oxford and then to Birmingham? I'm sure they've run trains to Oxford in the past.

Unless of course there's more paper work / safety requirements / driver knowledge / TOC boundaries involved :lol:
 
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