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377113 broke down 21 Jan 2013

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Hi there,

I read the thread about the 313 stranded between Falmer and Lewes with interest. A similar thing happened to 377113 on Monday morning, 21st Jan.

I was aboard the 0350 Southern service Brighton to Victoria, (2A11 ?) which at the outset was delayed departure until 0415, however then the guard announced that they had to wait for a de-icing train to make sure the train actually got to Victoria (I was going to Gatwick). The de-icing train arrived, all I could see of it from where I was sitting was GB Railfreight liveried 73206 "Lisa" and we eventually departed at 0452.

We were going at a steady speed once we reached Preston Park but soon after Patcham tunnel the lights started flickering and there was much arcing until the train came to a stand and most of the lights kept failing, the train tried to move a few times but no go. There were no on board announcements made , does the PA system work on battery power which I assume what we were on part of the time or did nobody know what was going on?

About 40 minutes later the driver announced we would try to return to Preston Park which we did, stopped at Preston Park. Doors locked shut for a good twenty minutes and all of a sudden moved again which the guard seemed surprised about as he called the driver to see what was going on but no further public announcements were made.

Back at Brighton we were told that buses would be provided but would take 45 minutes to organise, I decided to take a taxi which I did with two other passengers but due to all the delays I missed my flight (:

I cannot understand why the service wasn't cancelled at the outset and road transport arranged and why the train crew did not seem to know what was going on.

Also the de-icing train couldn't have been far ahead, what happened?

Regards,

Wayne
 
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wrmorrell said:
Hi there,

I read the thread about the 313 stranded between Falmer and Lewes with interest. A similar thing happened to 377113 on Monday morning, 21st Jan.

I was aboard the 0350 Southern service Brighton to Victoria, (2A11 ?) which at the outset was delayed departure until 0415, however then the guard announced that they had to wait for a de-icing train to make sure the train actually got to Victoria (I was going to Gatwick). The de-icing train arrived, all I could see of it from where I was sitting was GB Railfreight liveried 73206 "Lisa" and we eventually departed at 0452.

We were going at a steady speed once we reached Preston Park but soon after Patcham tunnel the lights started flickering and there was much arcing until the train came to a stand and most of the lights kept failing, the train tried to move a few times but no go. There were no on board announcements made , does the PA system work on battery power which I assume what we were on part of the time or did nobody know what was going on?

About 40 minutes later the driver announced we would try to return to Preston Park which we did, stopped at Preston Park. Doors locked shut for a good twenty minutes and all of a sudden moved again which the guard seemed surprised about as he called the driver to see what was going on but no further public announcements were made.

Back at Brighton we were told that buses would be provided but would take 45 minutes to organise, I decided to take a taxi which I did with two other passengers but due to all the delays I missed my flight (:

I cannot understand why the service wasn't cancelled at the outset and road transport arranged and why the train crew did not seem to know what was going on.

Also the de-icing train couldn't have been far ahead, what happened?

Regards,

Wayne
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The problem was due to over running engineering workd at three bridges, which led to line being shut all weekend, this caused an accumulation of ice on the conductor rail, I know this will sound stupid but maybe they didn't leave the de-icing fluid long enough to work.
In regards to the PA system that should still work for a while but it's a known problem that it gets bumped instead for other systems (iirc there is a fix for it by aux off and on) , but it could just be the crew were busy sorting out what was going on ( on a 377 if the driver is speaking to the signaller or patched through to the depot the PA system can not be used).
No idea why buses were not on standby that's between NR and southern.
On the BML there is heating strips on the conductor rail but these are only on the approach and departure from stations hence why you had problems after patch am tunnel.
 
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I know its seems a bizzare question, but did you have headphones on?. It amazes me during delays, you make announcements, then someone comes up with headphones on and says ' I did not hear anything'. Last night due to issues we had to cancel a train at Redhill. Everyone got off to go and get their bus, except the man sitting with his headphones on. Had to go up to him and wave my hands in front of his face to get his attention. He had missed the 7 announcements I made, including two that we were going knowhere and to get off and go and get the bus. :roll:

As for the reasons, they have also been dissucssed on another thread, though the exact reason is still up in the air.

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If they didnt think it would be completed in time they would have either cut back on the amount of work done or not start it at all, the fact they started it at all shows they thought it would be possible to complete on time.
 
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I did hear that the de-icing train failed in the Preston Park area - so that's probably why. You couldn't have gone onto the other line either as it wouldn't have been de-iced.

Because the lines weren't de-iced - services couldn't run.
 
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The issue with the de-icer was more of a :oops:

Last night the de-icer also has another :oops: of a differing kind, meant I had to get a taxi from Victoria to Brighton at 3am Joy!!!
 
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On the :oops: front, was a broken down train just south of earlswood. Stopped my 1am from getting to three brides (brighton). Had to put my passengers on a bus a redhill.

The reason the 3.50 leaves at 4.15 is mainly due to the fact that the first train to london does attract a element that does not want to pay. So with security on the gate, its to allow everyone time to buy the correct ticket as the ticket office has just opened.

SJ
 
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sarahj said:
On the :oops: front, was a broken down train just south of earlswood. Stopped my 1am from getting to three brides (brighton). Had to put my passengers on a bus a redhill.

The reason the 3.50 leaves at 4.15 is mainly due to the fact that the first train to london does attract a element that does not want to pay. So with security on the gate, its to allow everyone time to buy the correct ticket as the ticket office has just opened.

SJ
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I don't think that's the first time that's happened in the last week! Thanks for letting me know, as I didn't actually hear about that incident.
 
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sarahj said:
On the :oops: front, was a broken down train just south of earlswood. Stopped my 1am from getting to three brides (brighton). Had to put my passengers on a bus a redhill.

The reason the 3.50 leaves at 4.15 is mainly due to the fact that the first train to london does attract a element that does not want to pay. So with security on the gate, its to allow everyone time to buy the correct ticket as the ticket office has just opened.

SJ
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No it is not it is advertised at 0350 to allow for diversions and bus substitutions due to engineering work thus not delaying the arrival into Victoria.
 
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sarahj said:
On the :oops: front, was a broken down train just south of earlswood. Stopped my 1am from getting to three brides (brighton). Had to put my passengers on a bus a redhill.
SJ
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73208 got from Tonbridge to Redhill with handbrake applied I believe.
 
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