377-v-378

[Class377/5]

I like that but I think walk through carriages are a must.

The stock being offered for Thameslink and Crossrail both have walk through carriages like the 378.

 

[Nym]

The DfT's interior specification begs to differ...

http://webarchive.nationalarchives....il/pi/thameslinkrollingstock/slides220408.pdf Slide 34

High Capacity: Passenger Movement and Interior Design
•
Wide doorways and large stand-backs
•
2+2 seat layout to ease flow and provide standing space
•
Folding and tip-up seats to provide multi-functional
spaces
•
Open wide gangways may offer additional standing
space
•
Plenty of handholds for standing passengers

Honestly, that was 20seconds with google...!

 

[Class377/5]

The DfT's interior specification begs to differ...

http://webarchive.nationalarchives....il/pi/thameslinkrollingstock/slides220408.pdf Slide 34

Honestly, that was 20seconds with google...!

And if you read what I put I said what is being offered, not for what was originally asked for. Not what the DfT originally speced.

Any walk through video would show you that.

 

[Nym]

And if you read what I put I said what is being offered, not for what was originally asked for. Not what the DfT originally speced.

Any walk through video would show you that.

http://www.siemens.co.uk/en/news_press/index/desirocityvideo/evolutioninmotion.htm

You mean like this walk through video that shows 2+2 seating throughout for the Desiro City that is the EXACT product offered by Siemens Mobility for Thameslink, and probably will be offered for Crossrail...?

 

[Class377/5]

http://www.siemens.co.uk/en/news_press/index/desirocityvideo/evolutioninmotion.htm

You mean like this walk through video that shows 2+2 seating throughout for the Desiro City that is the EXACT product offered by Siemens Mobility for Thameslink, and probably will be offered for Crossrail...?

Would comment but video doesn't work on an iPad. As for the layout, remember its all modular and no-one has yet confirmed 100% what Thameslink is getting so although it's likely to be like this, is isn't guaranteed.

EDIT: just found the video on the work PC. It has walk through carriages, although they aren't the full width of the train but it is walk through.

Note as well it's not the layout Thameslink has been offered. We aren't getting fire extinguishers in the middle of the door area so don't believe everything you see here is going to be on the new Thameslink fleet. Things change.

 

[Minstral25]

I'm not worried about walk through or standing areas around doors as I think these are a must on both Crossrail and Thameslink, so hopefully they will happen.

I am concerned about seat width. The First refurbished 319's on Thameslink currently have both 3+2 and 2+2 but the 2+2 is with narrow seats to allow circulation space and they are terrible because you are constantly squeezed against your seat partner plus leg room is not enough if you are 6'3" like me. The 2+2 in these have all the problems of 3+2 but with a big standing area in the middle.

Trouble is DfT think squeezing people into cattle truck conditions is acceptable

 

[swt_passenger]

I get the impression Nym and Class377/5 might be at cross purposes above.

Where Class377/5 posted 'both have walk through carriages like the 378', I think he just meant they'll have walk through carriages, ie that is the only similarity to 378s...

 

[Nym]

We should ban ambiguous terminology, I took it to mean LU style seating, rather than 'open intra-unit connections'

 

[swt_passenger]

We should ban ambiguous terminology...

That could be our new year resolution!

 

[Class377/5]

We should ban ambiguous terminology, I took it to mean LU style seating, rather than 'open intra-unit connections'

See I'd call that longitudinal seating my self. Many it's I'm used to industry terms.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Open wide gangways may offer additional standing
space

I took that bit from the DfT specs to mean the full width walk through like on the 378s and S Stock?

 

[150222]

Deleted... Misread source.

 

[ainsworth74]

Class 332/333's were designed for speeds of 160mph.

Sorry but what!?

When were 332/333s ever designed to have a speed of 160mph!? What is your source!?

 

[150222]

Sorry I misread it. It actually said 160kph. (100mph).

 

[asylumxl]

I am concerned about seat width. The First refurbished 319's on Thameslink currently have both 3+2 and 2+2 but the 2+2 is with narrow seats to allow circulation space and they are terrible because you are constantly squeezed against your seat partner plus leg room is not enough if you are 6'3" like me. The 2+2 in these have all the problems of 3+2 but with a big standing area in the middle.

Trouble is DfT think squeezing people into cattle truck conditions is acceptable

You see the DfT thinks that people only use TL to go between core stations, like a heavy rail underground line. As such standing room is their priority.

They don't seem to realise many people commute 50 miles on the line.

I'd be interested to know if anyone has experience of 378s at high speed. What's the noise/environment like with the wide gangways and sliding doors?

 

[Minstral25]

You see the DfT thinks that people only use TL to go between core stations, like a heavy rail underground line. As such standing room is their priority.

They don't seem to realise many people commute 50 miles on the line.

I'd be interested to know if anyone has experience of 378s at high speed. What's the noise/environment like with the wide gangways and sliding doors?

Absolutely spot on!

378's at 50/60mph(??) along the route to West Croydon is very uncomfortable due to rapid acceleration and deceleration of modern units and sitting sideways.

 

[DG85]

A 378 unit has 9motors, 3 on each unit except on the unit where the pantagraph is fitted
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I did a post last year too.

A 4 car class 377 has 6 motors each rated at 250 kW

A class 379 has 6 motors rated at 200 kW.

A 378 4 car has 9 motors

 

[notadriver]

A 378 unit has 9!motors, 3 on each vehicle except on the vehicle where the pantagraph is fitted
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A 378 4 car has 9 motors

Yes I know I said that above

 

[DG85]

Yes I know I said that above

oops sorry