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Assuming Broadlands doesnt get frankensteined!

Don't say such things! I must say I've really enjoyed this thread and it's bought back some memories. Really liked reading the posts on here and recalling how things were.
Just as an aside I remember when they drafted a trio of 47/4s in on trial to see how they'd get on working side by side with the 50s around early 1988. As I remember they were freshly overhauled and in large logo and they were 47473? 47547 and 47587. They did slightly struggle to keep time but it was nice to have something different to the usual class 50.
Of course any loco hauled train now on 'The Mule' would be nice
 
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I remember them. They were the 3 NSE liveried locos displaced from Cambridge-Kings Lynn duties when that route was electrified. Two of them were named after the traincrew that saved Soham from a munitions fire on board their train during WW2, Benjamin Gimbert and James Nightall. They were killed along with the signaller but their actions prevented a much more serious incident.

When the scotrail 47's arrived they were all concentrated on the Thames and Chiltern sector while the 50's were kept on the mule. This has been suggested as a deliberate ploy by the pen pushers to over emphasise the flagging nature of the 50's and gain authorisation for investment in new trains. Supposedly to trigger the Networker Express project (class 171, basically a 165 with corridoors) the route instead got part of Regional Railways 158 order instead. Once authorised the 50s were disposed of as and when they demised and the 47's replaced them having themselves been displaced by the 166's. It was soon found however that 47's were no more reliable on mule workings than the 50's were. Wether this was down to unfamiliarity with the type, the demands the route placed on traction or from a general rundown as replacement beckoned can only be speculated, and during this period BR used anything it could get its hands on. 33's of course being the most widely available locos in the area and a type most drivers on the route signed anyway. Ironically, when 50 025 met its catastrophic end at Ealing it was deputising for a failed 47!
 
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I remember them. They were the 3 NSE liveried locos displaced from Cambridge-Kings Lynn duties when that route was electrified. Two of them were named after the traincrew that saved Soham from a munitions fire on board their train during WW2, Benjamin Gimbert and James Nightall. They were killed along with the signaller but their actions prevented a much more serious incident.

Nightall died Gimbert lived till 1976
 

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As I understand it, the real issue with using the 47/4 was the lack of range: a standard 47/4 couldn't do a return Waterloo-Exeter and back without refuelling. The 47/7 and 47/8 (very rare sight) could. This meant extra provisioning for a spare fuelled up loco at each end when a 47/4 was rostered.
The 50s had been built as long-range locos and didn't have a distance issue. I heard somewhere that it came as a shock to those who should have known better when the 47/4s started running out of fuel...........simply hadn't been considered as an issue.
Of course the 47/7 had their own problem: by the time they came south from Scotland they were high-milers compared with the rest of the 47 ETH fleet, and even worse that distance had all been stop-start with multiple power cycles and consequent stress to the diesel and transmission. In short, they were knackered. Whoever thought they were suitable for WofE use really was working in the wrong job..........

When you think about it, the best stop-gap solution would have been to use pairs of 33s top and tailing the coaches. Most of the sets used with the 50s were ex-Scottish push-pull sets through-wired for blue-star remote control and could have been used with no modification with the 33, 37 and (possibly) the 73 fleet.
 
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