27/2's after Push Pull

[dubscottie]

Class 43s were, and still are, more intensively utilised.

HSTs have higher annual millages but the 47/7 did circa 2,900 tops hours per loco, per annum which was the highest of any BR owned loco. (Only the Yeoman 59's were higher)


I am looking at the figures here in a RAIL mag from Oct 1990.

And at the time.. 43xxx was a DM or DMB of class 253 or 254.

DEMU not locos..

 

[PHILIPE]

One thing I have never understood was why when the 27's were replaced on the Edinburgh - Glasgow service the 27/2's had the ETH removed and became effectively freight locos. Surely as the ETH was from a sepperate engine and not taking power from the main generator they would have been ideal for the West Highland line where 27's were still staple power albeit steam heat.

Class 37s were about to be introduced to the West Highland passengers anyway.

 

[randyrippley]

this thread has all you can want to know about the Scottish push pulls
http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=129282&highlight=push

and this website is essential reading on the subject
http://www.6lda28.com/shove.html

 

[route:oxford]

I've seen a 37 at one end of a push-pull set.

Not uncommon if there was a problem with the DBSO and the 47 was at the platform end.. It would be dragged up Cowlairs to the triangle by the 37, then the 47 would lead back to Waverley.

 

[Whistler40145]

Also during the time when the stock was fitted with through Blue Star Multiple working, if a 27 was unavailable, a 25, 26 or 37 would work in multiple.

 

[dubscottie]

A pic from Flikr..

https://www.flickr.com/photos/brianews/5837144002/in/set-72157626969809416

Shows the 27 /blue star/engine air pipe and bogies with no tread brakes.

 

[QueensCurve]

Not uncommon if there was a problem with the DBSO and the 47 was at the platform end.. It would be dragged up Cowlairs to the triangle by the 37, then the 47 would lead back to Waverley.

The loco however was normally at the Waverly end rather than the Queens St end.

 

[route:oxford]

The loco however was normally at the Waverly end rather than the Queens St end.

With a failed DBSO, it's unlikely that it would be leading on the way into Queen Street.

 

[Helvellyn]

If the Scottish Region had got it's way, we would've seen 33s working on the West Highland line, but found they were far too heavy for the infrastructure and the Southern wouldn't release any.

As a 33 weighed 78t and a 37 anything between 103-108t, I assume it was the fact the former was a Bo-Bo that was the issue, with a RA of 6 for the 33 v 5 for a 37?

 

[Whistler40145]

I presume the problem was with the Route Availability of the 33s.

 

[matchmaker]

Not uncommon if there was a problem with the DBSO and the 47 was at the platform end.. It would be dragged up Cowlairs to the triangle by the 37, then the 47 would lead back to Waverley.

Sorry, I meant at one end of the earlier 27/27 trains.

 

[hexagon789]

Class 25s and 37s were both used on the Class 27 push-pulls, particularly before a second batch of 27s were fitted for push-pull, replacing one or both of the 27s. I seem to remember reading somewhere of an instance where both two 37s worked a push-pull and reached a 100 mph en route.