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22 coach pendolino?
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ExRes
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It's because RTT have put the wrong information on display, again, as before etc etc
RTT isn't the problem, it's reading what's out there correctly, it's likely someone somewhere hasn't updated a program so after a unit swap you'll get something like this every now and then.
RTT are not putting wrong information on as such.
As has been explained many many times, Avanti have done set swap in there systems correctly, but, for what ever reason the systems take time to feed through things to things like RTT which is why this happens.
Class73Electro
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Excluding the obvious signalling / platform issues of a train that long, could it theoretically run as a 22 car?
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They have ran 18 coach pendolinos on test before, there’s a video on YT
Lewisham2221
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IIRC they can couple mechanically for rescue purposes, but aren't capable of operating in pairs regardless of infrastructure
DarloRich
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it is, as always a data issue
Class73Electro
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Ahh, OK, thanks!
Intercity_225
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I feel like I've seen 25 threads like this in the past 2 weeks..
brad465
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When there's a thread pinned at the top of this forum titled "IT'S AN RTT DATA FAULT, STOP BLOODY MAKING THREADS ABOUT 22-CAR PENDOS AND 15-CAR IETS!!!!!"
hexagon789
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But it's not an RTT data fault, it's just to do with how long the relevant data takes to filter through when an allocation change is made.
It manages to get one half of the data change through quickly enough for something to surely be awry though?
If it was just a data update speed issue you wouldn’t get half the swap in a timely manner and half of it lingering on.
But that is what happens.
I have done plenty of set swaps. And then on RTT shows the original and new sets.
The swaps were silent correctly, so yes, somewhere in the system something lingers and causes these things to happen.
And how many people read the pinned threads anyway?
About 10% of the people who post on “disputes and prosecutions” do, would be my guess, given that for the other 90% someone has to ask for the information the pinned thread asks for.
In this case. 9S80 was allocated:
- 2025-08-14 01:41 - 390132 on VW940
- 2025-08-14 03:21 - deallocated
- 2025-08-14 04:22 - 390115 on VW940
- 2025-08-14 07:16 - 390125 and 390115 on VW940
- 2025-08-14 07:21 - another message with the same content
- 2025-08-14 16:21 - 390125 on VW940
As always, it shows the data when it receives it.
There are issues with the data processes and feeds upstream of RTT that relate to this that everyone will discover in far more detail when it becomes open data but in the mean time, don't worry, just blame us
There are issues with the data processes and feeds upstream of RTT that relate to this that everyone will discover in far more detail when it becomes open data but in the mean time, don't worry, just blame us
Apologies Tom I didn’t meant to come across as finger pointing at RTT directly; more make the point that somewhere in the black hole of cyber between me making a set swap instantaneously on the industry side and it appearing to the public on your side there’s something going awry and causing a delay to parts of it but not all.
TT-ONR-NRN
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When common sense finally starts to kick in. Surely people should know Avanti wouldn't be running a Twenty-two carriage long train??
These threads infuriate me
That's not the point though. Whoever's error it is, the point is that it is an error and people really should be able to figure that out. It should be obvious to people on this site that a train upwards of five-hundred metres is not going to be running from London to Glasgow.
Class15
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Trains of up to 775 metres run every night from London to Glasgow! Departing Camden Jn at 20:05 and getting to Coatbridge by 6am!
TT-ONR-NRN
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Oh for goodness sake
But it's not an error for the people who actually need to know what sets are running what service.When common sense finally starts to kick in. Surely people should know Avanti wouldn't be running a Twenty-two carriage long train??
These threads infuriate me
That's not the point though. Whoever's error it is, the point is that it is an error and people really should be able to figure that out. It should be obvious to people on this site that a train upwards of five-hundred metres is not going to be running from London to Glasgow.
As on all the railways systems that staff is the allocations are corrects.
trainmania100
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Thats a lot of data updates, I thought RTT only updated every hour or soIn this case. 9S80 was allocated:
(all times are in UTC, so +1 hour for UK)
- 2025-08-14 01:41 - 390132 on VW940
- 2025-08-14 03:21 - deallocated
- 2025-08-14 04:22 - 390115 on VW940
- 2025-08-14 07:16 - 390125 and 390115 on VW940
- 2025-08-14 07:21 - another message with the same content
- 2025-08-14 16:21 - 390125 on VW940
As always, it shows the data when it receives it.
There are issues with the data processes and feeds upstream of RTT that relate to this that everyone will discover in far more detail when it becomes open data but in the mean time, don't worry, just blame us
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It updates whenever the upstream feed sends out data.
It depends on the input. This one is every 5 minutes.
It'll be open data on the Rail Data Marketplace soon (tm).
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