2016 - Euro 5 or 6?

[Surreyman]

New vehicles ordered & delivered in 2015 have been a mixture of Euro 5 & 6.
We have seen most of the big groups ordering 'Still available' Euro 5 models, alongside newer Euro 6.
ADL has been delivering the original 'Classic' E200/300/400 alongside the newer MMC models.
Can anyone confirm the current position re the migration from Euro 5 to 6 & is it likely that Arriva/Go-Ahead/Stagecoach & others will still be able to place orders in early 2016 for older models?

 

[the101]

New vehicles ordered & delivered in 2015 have been a mixture of Euro 5 & 6.
We have seen most of the big groups ordering 'Still available' Euro 5 models, alongside newer Euro 6.
ADL has been delivering the original 'Classic' E200/300/400 alongside the newer MMC models.
Can anyone confirm the current position re the migration from Euro 5 to 6 & is it likely that Arriva/Go-Ahead/Stagecoach & others will still be able to place orders in early 2016 for older models?

It seems that the government is going to close the Euro 5 'loophole' from 1 April 2016. It currently applies to vehicles which are approved under Small Series or Individual Vehicle means, which is how Euro 5 buses (but generally not coaches bar some stock which was built by the likes of Irizar, Scania and Volvo in anticipation) are still being registered in some number. Euro 5 coaches have also become very unattractive thanks to London's coming ULEZ, which will mandate Euro 6 from 2020.

The other thing to consider is that it is not efficient for manufacturers to be building Euro 5 and Euro 6 at the same time. Colin Robertson has stated that ADL will probably cease Euro 5 early next year (again, with a large 'stock' batch built before that happens), while Wrightbus are equally keen to do the same. For the likes of Scania, Volvo and so on, Euro 5 has long since gone for buses.

The big groups that are still taking Euro 5 are a little short-sighted. Increased devolution and 'localism' means that LEZs are likely to spread, and if they specify Euro 6 only and the local fleet is still dominated by new-ish Euro 5s, it will be a tricky thing to do to juggle things around. To First's credit, they seem to have realised this. Euro 6 has also proved to be more fuel-efficient than Euro 5, which 'cancels out' the additional cost, while future technological innovations such as developments of Micro Hybrid-type kit, flywheels, stop-start and whatever else will not be homologated on Euro 5 buses, meaning that Euro 6 becomes increasingly attractive.

 

[overthewater]

But of course Euro 5 are cheaper.

 

[gazthomas]

I wonder if VW owned Scania or MAN equipped buses or coaches would pass either Euro 5 or 6!

 

[jon0844]

I wonder if VW owned Scania or MAN equipped buses or coaches would pass either Euro 5 or 6!

Download the latest software and they'll be Euro 7 compliant.

 

[ste898]

Beats me how the old stagecoach sheds are road worthy here in carlisle that they use for school buses

The crap that comes out of them is unreal especially the x reg man

 

[Surreyman]

It seems that the government is going to close the Euro 5 'loophole' from 1 April 2016. It currently applies to vehicles which are approved under Small Series or Individual Vehicle means, which is how Euro 5 buses (but generally not coaches bar some stock which was built by the likes of Irizar, Scania and Volvo in anticipation) are still being registered in some number. Euro 5 coaches have also become very unattractive thanks to London's coming ULEZ, which will mandate Euro 6 from 2020.

The other thing to consider is that it is not efficient for manufacturers to be building Euro 5 and Euro 6 at the same time. Colin Robertson has stated that ADL will probably cease Euro 5 early next year (again, with a large 'stock' batch built before that happens), while Wrightbus are equally keen to do the same. For the likes of Scania, Volvo and so on, Euro 5 has long since gone for buses.

The big groups that are still taking Euro 5 are a little short-sighted. Increased devolution and 'localism' means that LEZs are likely to spread, and if they specify Euro 6 only and the local fleet is still dominated by new-ish Euro 5s, it will be a tricky thing to do to juggle things around. To First's credit, they seem to have realised this. Euro 6 has also proved to be more fuel-efficient than Euro 5, which 'cancels out' the additional cost, while future technological innovations such as developments of Micro Hybrid-type kit, flywheels, stop-start and whatever else will not be homologated on Euro 5 buses, meaning that Euro 6 becomes increasingly attractive.

RouteOne magazine Report: -
"Euro 6 cut-off ‘likely to slip’ to October 2016 0
BY THE ROUTEONE TEAM ON NOVEMBER 18, 2015 INDUSTRY
It is understood that the 1 April 2016 date informally agreed by the Department for Transport (DfT) as being the cut-off date to end production of Euro 5 coaches and buses has slipped six months, and will now come into force on 1 October 2016.

The 1 April date originally looked likely to come into force, but an email seen by routeone suggests that unexpected excessive workload at the DfT has led to the slip. The DfT is yet to confirm either date.

The formal consultation on the changeover has not yet started, and it remains to be seen whether UK manufacturers will delay their planned shift to all-Euro 6 production lines.

Alexander Dennis, Optare and Wrightbus all continue to build Euro 5 buses.

 

[the101]

RouteOne magazine Report: -
"Euro 6 cut-off ‘likely to slip’ to October 2016 0
BY THE ROUTEONE TEAM ON NOVEMBER 18, 2015 INDUSTRY
It is understood that the 1 April 2016 date informally agreed by the Department for Transport (DfT) as being the cut-off date to end production of Euro 5 coaches and buses has slipped six months, and will now come into force on 1 October 2016.

The 1 April date originally looked likely to come into force, but an email seen by routeone suggests that unexpected excessive workload at the DfT has led to the slip. The DfT is yet to confirm either date.

The formal consultation on the changeover has not yet started, and it remains to be seen whether UK manufacturers will delay their planned shift to all-Euro 6 production lines.

Alexander Dennis, Optare and Wrightbus all continue to build Euro 5 buses.

Indeed. It was circulated by an email from the SMMT a couple of weeks ago.