It makes it valid for the first two minutes. In practical terms the 0430 start is to allow the use of tickets for the previous day up to their point of expiry at 0429.
I was under the impression if a train departed before said time it made it valid?
That would be the case if the restriction was ‘not valid for trains departing between 04:30 and 09:30’, but the terms & conditions explicitly state;
It very much depends on the wording. In this case the discount is not valid between 0430 and 0929 regardless of the booked departure time of the train.
Which one?
I was scrolling through the section and entered Glasgow - Preston for Tuesday. This ticket is for 2 pax using the 2T railcard. It gives the option to purchase a £56 off peak single ticket solely for this service and no others until after 09:30
Which one?
I tried Avanti, ScotRail and LNER
If you able to obtain a ticket and itinerary together from an accredited retailer (as all those TOCs are) then your ticket is valid. You may have to argue this point with staff, however.
I have obtained a reply from both Avanti and TPE stating the ticket is valid on both their 04:22 TPE and 04:28 VT departure
You've told the booking engine what Railcard you have. If it deems that this makes you eligible for a Railcard discount on the 04:22/04:28, that's contractually binding.
I have made enquiries and been advised that the restriction is correctly applied to your ticket, and the wording should be read as excluding travel starting between 04:30 and 09:30. Having said that, I'm not sure how grey that area would be if you had a change of trains involved!
So we can confirm the two together railcard is valid on the 04:28 service from Glasgow - Preston?
Yes, as long as you are starting the journey at Glasgow Central.
I suspect we would be relying on the word ‘journey’ here. A ‘journey’ starting between those times is prohibited. Of course, there’s no definition for journey but it is still constant.
