2 car, Virgin Super Voyger at Crewe ?

[MCR247]

221144s driving cars are there because the centre cars were placed it 142 and 143 so Virgin had a standard fleet of 5 car 221s. Last year it was possible to it thundering up and down the WCML at 125mph, so yes it is a train!

 

[trainofhope]

is it hell it cant move silly! its just two cabs I have to sart up so TMs can learn the tms its not a train u thicko, are two coaches a bloody train? how far will two coaches travel, geez there some thick fookers on ere LOL
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221144s driving cars are there because the centre cars were placed it 142 and 143 so Virgin had a standard fleet of 5 car 221s. Last year it was possible to it thundering up and down the WCML at 125mph, so yes it is a train!

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pi55in myself, its there to train TMs, end of ; its not a train lol geez this is hard wk
lol

 

[MCR247]

Sorry, I was mistaken. This is blatently obviously a ferry. My mistake :roll:


If you work for Virgin then lord help them :roll:

 

[TGVDUDE]

its not a train u thicko

Saw somewhere ages ago that NR define a train as a vehicle on Rails, or something along those lines.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

This has been leaked from the DfT...

 

[TGVDUDE]

^Top Secret Stuff

 

[tbtc]

Out of interest, how have Virgin managed to train any staff over the last decade without a spare Voyager sitting around not earning revenue?

 

[MCR247]

390033

 

[ainsworth74]

Gentlemen, gentlemen the Oxford Dictionary says that a train is: (noun) a series of connected railway carriages or wagons moved by a locomotive or by integral motors.

Now 114 might not be in service hauling around passengers it is still most certainly railway carriages powered by integral motors therefore I would say it's a train. Now it might be being used for training purposes but it is still a train.

 

[trainofhope]

LOL i better go and earn my cash then LOL
they used training vehicles at other depots sorry trains, but you know seem to know why its there, and what it is, and for how long .... so i will not be required to anser any more questions
I did think i would help by answering those questions!
Good night all

 

[MCR247]

What are you on about now?

 

[trainofhope]

60k LOL nite

 

[MCR247]

Erm good night? :?

 

[OxtedL]

I'm puzzled... all I can see I someone being very, very thankful...

 

[MCR247]

I'm puzzled... all I can see I someone being very, very thankful...

Edited posts

You didn't miss much don't worry, only some guy that apparantly works for VT at the Training centre saying that 221 144 was infact not a train...

 

[OxtedL]

I think I got the beginning of that earlier. Hopefully this thread will have a tidy up then, and we can get back on with moaning about the bad use of stock

 

[Skimble19]

Of course for anyone who had already posted you may receive the unedited thread in your inbox at midnight

 

[YorkshireBear]

was one voyager a day not in use anyway so it is actually a capcity increase ? so not a waste?
i could of made that up of course it has been known on numerous occasions?

 

[allticketspls]

Saw somewhere ages ago that NR define a train as a vehicle on Rails, or something along those lines.

So THAT is why the Pacers are still running. Also, there are JCB's with rail wheels so can Virgin run one on the 18:43 EUS-CRE on a Friday? I think not

 

[BrummyBoy]

are two coaches a bloody train?

Yes, Class 142, Class 143, Class 144, Class 150, Class 155, Class 156, Class 158, Class 165, Class 170

 

[ainsworth74]

Yes, Class 142, Class 143, Class 144, Class 150, Class 155, Class 156, Class 158, Class 165, Class 170

More even, Class 171, Class 172 and Class 456. It would be interesting to find out what proportion of GB's rail fleet is in 2 car formation.

 

[sprinterguy]

More even, Class 171, Class 172 and Class 456. It would be interesting to find out what proportion of GB's rail fleet is in 2 car formation.

As a rough rule of thumb, about 1,400 multiple unit carriages out of a total of 12,000 vehicles are in two carriage formation.

 

[Boothby97]

I thought 221 144 was being used as a unit to haul other Voyagers around CZ.
I saw this at Crewe pushed up against the buffer stops behind 57 314 pn Tuesday.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

I saw this at Crewe pushed up against the buffer stops behind 57 314 pn Tuesday.

Same here, the 57 looked quite nice in its two shade Arriva livery

 

[class377man]

Yes, Class 142, Class 143, Class 144, Class 150, Class 155, Class 156, Class 158, Class 165, Class 170

More even, Class 171, Class 172 and Class 456. It would be interesting to find out what proportion of GB's rail fleet is in 2 car formation.

Not to mention two 153's joined together.

 

[Boothby97]

175/0s are two car I believe.

 

[western Champion]

221144 as a two car set cannot work on its own or used to strengthen another set.

It has a very noisy compressor rigged up in the luggage compartment.

If it could move on its own it would not tilt, the master tilt computer is on the 608 vehicle which is not present.

Whether or not tilt is operative on a 221 the hydraulic tilt system still has to be pressurized, controlled by the master tilt computer, if it's not then the vehicles can go off center causing a center detect fault. If you get one of them then it's out of service at a maximum of 40 mph which causes chaos on a 125 mph railway.

The only way i can think of to circumvent the above would be to do what cross country have done to their 221s and fit a steal bar to ensure the vehicle stays upright then the tilt system which is no longer required can be permanently isolated, the system would be de-pressurized and a center detect fault would never happen.

That's my view as a driver, if anybody can elaborate or correct me please feel free.