2 advance ticket question

[Buttsy]

I've booked an advance from Oxford to Paddington on 04/08/13 and also an advance from Kings Cross to Helensburgh on the same day. I've given myself and hour to get across London. If my train is late into Paddington, am I stuffed as far as the Helensburgh ticket is concerned if I miss the booked train (due to delays on FGW) or does it count as a split advance?

 

[LexyBoy]

From the Advance Fares FAQ:

Q4. Can a customer buy two advance which join together and form one journey? e.g. ticket for A-B plus ticket for B-C, to travel throughout journey A-C?

A. Yes, provided the train calls at B.
[...]
Q22. Can a passenger travel on any other service than the one on which they are reserved, without changing the booking?

A. the following principles apply.

1) Start of the Journey. It is the passenger responsibility to turn up at the start of the journey in time for the departure of the first train. If they miss it due to parking problems, taxis not turning up, etc, they must buy a new ticket,

2) Once the journey has begun. If the passenger is delayed and the train company or it's partners [are] at fault, which should be check by [staff] control office, change to a train of the same company is allowed to get them to their destination with the least delay. This is irrespective of the combination of rail tickets held. Examples are:
Included: are passsengers on valid:

Through domestic or international tickets. e.g. Brighton-Scarborough route TOC X & connections;

Through rail and partner tickets for which there is a through bus, tube, ferry or metro fare, e.g. Zone U12-Leeds, Wisbeach coach-York, Ryde Pier-Hull, etc;

Combination of rail only tickets.

e.g. Rail season ticket Skipton-Leeds and Advance Leeds-Peterborough, or adjoining advance fares;

Combination of rail and partner tickets.

e.g. Brighton-Zone U12 plus advance London-Manchester, or;

e.g. Advance ticket Bristol-Paddington plus tube single ticket, plus advance ticket Kings Cross to Hull;
All Zones Travelcards, PTE-products (where rail is included) plus advance fares, etc;

Combination of Eurostar tickets into the UK and then either advance tickets from London terminals or "London Intnl CIV" or Lndon Eurostar CIV;

Not included for the avoidance of doubt, are:

Non train company travel on separate tickets, e.g. tickets that begin on bus-only, tube-only, ferry-only or metro-only tickets. (this includes "PlusBus", which is a local day-rover bus ticket not compatible with a medium/long distance advance single ticket, so are kept as separate tickets), or;

Tickets that cannot be read on-train e.g. smartcards (allowable where electronically checked, verified and advance ticket endorsed in travel centres).

Please note that there is no change to :

a) Any other rules e.g. trains stopping where tickets join together (NRCoC 19), nor;

b) The need to verify that a train has been delayed on route and ticket endorsed, nor;

c) Any other passenger entitlements as defined by the NRCoC or CIV conditions, nor;

d) General ATOC disruption guidance

e) [Staff] discretion in extreme circumstances.

It is not entirely clear whether a Tube ticket needs to be held at the beginning of the journey to count under the conditions listed for Q22. I doubt that the intention is to preclude using PAYG to bridge the London stations though and I don't think you'll face any issues if you are delayed.

In future booking Oxford-U1* will definitely be valid and is usually only £2 more (with NSE railcard).

 

[Buttsy]

From the Advance Fares FAQ:


It appears that a Tube ticket needs to be held at the beginning of the journey to count under the conditions listed for Q22 (possibly unless both tickets are issued as "London Terminals"). I doubt that the intention is to preclude using PAYG to bridge the London stations though and I don't think you'll face any issues if you are delayed.

In future booking Oxford-U1* will definitely be valid and is usually only £2 more (with NSE railcard).

Thanks for that. I do sort of hold a 'tube ticket' as I have an Oyster card, does that count?

 

[yorkie]

Yes, it's valid, and 1 hour meets the minimum interchange requirements.

If you want to avoid potential arguments over delays on LU, a ticket from U1 to Helensburgh would be a good idea, but not essential. The cost is not much more than from London Terminals.
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Thanks for that. I do sort of hold a 'tube ticket' as I have an Oyster card, does that count?

I don't think there is any requirement to hold a 'tube ticket' as such, I think they are just saying that to make it clear that (most) interchange times are based on taking LU and that tickets to/from London Terminals do not (normally) cover the LU cross-London transfer.

 

[Buttsy]

Yes, it's valid, and 1 hour meets the minimum interchange requirements.

If you want to avoid potential arguments over delays on LU, a ticket from U1 to Helensburgh would be a good idea, but not essential. The cost is not much more than from London Terminals.

Already got the advances (there and back from Aberdeen), but next time will include U1

If LUL aren't running well, I'll jump a cab.

Thanks guys

 

[transmanche]

If LUL aren't running well, I'll jump a cab.

With an hour between stations, you could walk it and still make your connection!

(205 bus would take approx 30-35 mins on a Sunday - including waiting time.)

 

[Buttsy]

With an hour between stations, you could walk it and still make your connection!

(205 bus would take approx 30-35 mins on a Sunday - including waiting time.)

Cheers!