1967 stock on the Bakerloo line

[Jonah Kemp]

Sorry if this is a stupid question but are there any 1967 tube stocks on the Bakerloo line? I know there are some 1972 mk 1 trains on the line but I was wondering if there was any 1967 trains on it as well. Doesn't one of the carriages have a blue pole which could mean its a 1967 stock? Also there was a plan to use 1967 stock on the Bakerloo after they had been withdrawn from the Victoria line

 

[JonathanH]

Sorry if this is a stupid question but are there any 1967 tube stocks on the Bakerloo line?

No. The 1972 Mk1 stock was used to bolster the 1967 and 1972 Mk2 stock. There were no additional conversions when the 1967 stock was withdrawn.

Also there was a plan to use 1967 stock on the Bakerloo after they had been withdrawn from the Victoria line

No, they wouldn't have been suitable.

Doesn't one of the carriages have a blue pole which could mean its a 1967 stock?

Does it? It doesn't mean it is 1967 stock.

 

[Jonah Kemp]

No. The 1972 Mk1 stock was used to bolster the 1967 and 1972 Mk2 stock. There were no additional conversions when the 1967 stock was withdrawn.


No, they wouldn't have been suitable.

Coudln't have they been converted to manual operation

 

[JonathanH]

Coudln't have they been converted to manual operation

Even if they could, they weren't needed.

 

[Jonah Kemp]

Even if they could, they weren't needed.

Are there any 1967 trains preserved or did all get scrapped

 

[Lewlew]

Are there any 1967 trains preserved or did all get scrapped

There's one unit in London Road sidings (Elephant and Castle) looking very sorry for itself and been robbed of most of its parts.

 

[JonathanH]

Are there any 1967 trains preserved or did all get scrapped

There is a carriage in use as a restaurant at Walthamstow.
https://supperclub.tube/

Come and join Bea and the supperclub team in a food journey from Mexico to Patagonia. Three nights a week, the tube carriage is transformed into a dining space where a carefully curated playlist and dimmed lights set the atmosphere for an amazing dinner.

Information on other remaining vehicles of 1967 stock is easily found on Wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_1967_Stock

 

[bramling]

Even if they could, they weren't needed.

Some of the ex 72 stock cars which had been incorporated in the Vic Line 67 stock were held back from scrapping, with the possibility of being used for various uses.

There was at one point a rather tentative proposal to make up two additional Bakerloo Line trains. This would have been done, if I recall correctly, using various ex Victoria Line 72 stock cars, and making use of the two remaining available 72 stock UNDM cars - one being that used in hybrid unit 3299, and the other long-stored 3411 ex Northern Line. This would have given the Bakerloo two additional full trains, and oddball unit 3299 would have become more standard. Needless to say, this never happened. I think most of the ex Victoria Line cars have now been scrapped.

 

[Dstock7080]

The only true piece of a 1967 Stock on the Bakerloo is the cab of 3061 which was grafted onto DM 3338 replacing it’s cab after collision damage.
Other small parts, ventilation handles and grab poles are interchangeable.

 

[notverydeep]

Some of the ex 72 stock cars which had been incorporated in the Vic Line 67 stock were held back from scrapping, with the possibility of being used for various uses.

There was at one point a rather tentative proposal to make up two additional Bakerloo Line trains. This would have been done, if I recall correctly, using various ex Victoria Line 72 stock cars, and making use of the two remaining available 72 stock UNDM cars - one being that used in hybrid unit 3299, and the other long-stored 3411 ex Northern Line. This would have given the Bakerloo two additional full trains, and oddball unit 3299 would have become more standard. Needless to say, this never happened. I think most of the ex Victoria Line cars have now been scrapped.

This was investigated with a view to returning the core peak service to 24 trains per hour (tph). It had been reduced to 21 - 22 tph in 2001 (or around then), when attended detrainment became a requirement. This extended the dwell on terminating trains at Queen's Park northbound, which in turn constrained the achievable frequency. This service improvement would have been beneficial and would have increased revenue, but sadly the cost initial work priced the required 'programmed lift' for the additional vehicles and the number of other large upgrades requiring funding meant that this project did not have a sufficiently good case to be prioritised. So 3411 never got its reprieve and continues to languish at Hainault as far as I know...

 

[AzureOtsu]

Does it? It doesn't mean it is 1967 stock.

Wikipedia states this to be true;

 

[JonathanH]

Wikipedia states this to be true;

With a citation needed. Nothing else I can find suggests that 3438 is a former 1967 stock car, including commentary on the District Dave forum.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Wikipedia states this to be true;

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With a citation needed. Nothing else I can find suggests that 3438 is a former 1967 stock car, including commentary on the District Dave forum.

Wikipedia is known to have a large number of inaccuracies on it; sometimes corrections to these are removed simply because of internal turf wars between the editing teams.

 

[bramling]

With a citation needed. Nothing else I can find suggests that 3438 is a former 1967 stock car, including commentary on the District Dave forum.

It isn't. There is no 67 stock in service on the Bakerloo.

However, one car of 72 stock was damaged in a collision, and some bodywork was used from a 67 stock car to assist with repairs. That's likely to be where any confusion has come from.