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1918 Kings Cross to Sunderland 10Feb17

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MontyP

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Passing through Potters Bar tonight, noticed a Grand Central HST stopped at the platform with doors open. Looking at realtimetrains, looks like it is the 1918 northbound from Kings Cross which is showing as cancelled. Anyone know what has happened? How will they arrange onward transport? Could be a very late arrival home for some people.
 
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Passing through Potters Ba tonight, noticed a Grand Central HST stopped at the platform with doors open. Looking at realtimetrains, looks like it is the 1918 northbound from Kings Cross which is showing as cancelled. Anyone know what has happened? How will they arrange onward transport? Could be a very late arrival home for some people.

Imagine the put them onto a service into Newcastle then transfer to Sunderland via Northern or Metro.

Probably an extra half hour on the journey

Edit there's also the VTEC direct to Sunderland at 8pm, arriving about an hour later
 
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Imagine the put them onto a service into Newcastle then transfer to Sunderland via Northern or Metro.

Probably an extra half hour on the journey

Edit there's also the VTEC direct to Sunderland at 8pm, arriving about an hour later

The VTEC 20.00 Kings Cross to Sunderland is showing as due to be 34 late into York and with the comment:

'This train has been delayed by a fault on a train in front of this one'

Was it delayed to pick up the stranded PAX?
 

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Imagine the put them onto a service into Newcastle then transfer to Sunderland via Northern or Metro.

Probably an extra half hour on the journey

To only add another half hour, you'd probably be relying on a VTEC service stopping at Potters Bar, doubtful that has happened? Same with a Peterborough service, the next one of those was quite a while later and not scheduled to stop at Potters Bar.

I'd be interested to know if the advice was to jump on a service back to Kings Cross, or jump on a later service to Stevenage or even Peterborough and then onwards.
 
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We should also realise it's Friday night, and most trains north on the East Coast are very busy.
 

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To only add another half hour, you'd probably be relying on a VTEC service stopping at Potters Bar, doubtful that has happened? Same with a Peterborough service, the next one of those was quite a while later and not scheduled to stop at Potters Bar.

I'd be interested to know if the advice was to jump on a service back to Kings Cross, or jump on a later service to Stevenage or even Peterborough and then onwards.
Looking at realtimetrains again, doesn't look like the VTEC Sunderland train stopped there - nor any other subsequent VTEC train for that matter. Is RTT always updated with unscheduled extra calls?
 

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Looking at realtimetrains again, doesn't look like the VTEC Sunderland train stopped there - nor any other subsequent VTEC train for that matter. Is RTT always updated with unscheduled extra calls?

Quite simply: no.
 

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Looking at RTT the Grand Central service left Kings Cross 58 late and was caped at Potters Bar approx 61 late at 20.30.

That the VTEC Sunderland service picked them up would be the only chance of getting PAX home in any sort of reasonable time.
 

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Brake faults on 180s appear to be very common. I guessed that would be the cause as soon as I read the opening post! I very rarely use GC (partly for pricing reasons, and partly because they use 180s) but my last journey with them was delayed due to a brake fault.
 

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Brake faults on 180s appear to be very common. I guessed that would be the cause as soon as I read the opening post! I very rarely use GC (partly for pricing reasons, and partly because they use 180s) but my last journey with them was delayed due to a brake fault.

180s are not bad units when they work. Unfortunately they are a bit... temperamental, these units which need to be looked after properly if you are going to make them work something which FGW seemed to learn the hard way.
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That VTEC Sunderland service has a knack of being caped at Newcastle when a delay occurs. Ironiclly its canceled between Newcastle to Sunderland tonight because of the stricken GC Sunderland train......
 

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Looking at the Grand Central Twitter feed, it appears passengers were put on the 2051 GN service from Potters Bar to Peterborough, change for the last East Coast service to Newcastle (arriving 0214!) with taxis to Sunderland being arranged.
 

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Originally Grand Central said there was ticket acceptance on Great Northern services from Potters Bar to Peterborough.

This was later updated to:

Ticket acceptance available on 1N35 Virgin Train East Coast service from London Kings Cross/Peterborough towards Newcastle (22:00 departure).

Passengers for Thirsk to alight at York for road transport
Passengers for Eaglescliffe and Hartlepool to alight at Darlington for road transport
Passengers for Sunderland to alight at Newcastle for onward road transport

Passengers due to board at York to take the delayed 21:53 Virgin Trains East coast service towards Sunderland.

Passengers for Thirsk and Northallerton, ticket acceptance is in place for the delayed 22:35 Transpennine Express service towards Newcastle.

Passengers for Eaglescliffe and Hartlepool to alight at Darlington for road transport.
 

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Looking at the Grand Central Twitter feed, it appears passengers were put on the 2051 GN service from Potters Bar to Peterborough, change for the last East Coast service to Newcastle (arriving 0214!) with taxis to Sunderland being arranged.

The above is correct. From Tyrell it appears Network Rail and CrossCountry were struggling to get hold of whoever was on call at Grand Central. CrossCountry ended up getting a Great Western fitter sent from Old Oak Common to Potters Bar in a taxi..! They finally arrived just before 1am and got it to a state fit to be moved to Bounds Green.
 
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Brake faults on 180s appear to be very common. I guessed that would be the cause as soon as I read the opening post! I very rarely use GC (partly for pricing reasons, and partly because they use 180s) but my last journey with them was delayed due to a brake fault.

Preferable to the thing self-combusting, though! :D
 

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The above is correct. From Tyrell it appears Network Rail and CrossCountry were struggling to get hold of whoever was on call at Grand Central. CrossCountry ended up getting a Great Western fitter sent from Old Oak Common to Potters Bar in a taxi..! They finally arrived just before 1am and got it to a state fit to be moved to Bounds Green.

Wow. Does GC not have a control centre?! I would imagine an emergency fitter taxi'd in from another TOC, plus copious delay minutes, probably made it an expensive night out for GC!
 

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Wow. Does GC not have a control centre?! I would imagine an emergency fitter taxi'd in from another TOC, plus copious delay minutes, probably made it an expensive night out for GC!

I thought GC control centre was managed by Cross Country much the same as Hull Trains is managed by TPE.
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Ah ok. Duty on-call bod is in trouble then!

Not neccessarily, may have wanted confirmation of what to do with passengers (may have no agreement with GN) or what to do with the 180 (Bounds Green or OOC). Probably worth reviewing procedures before it happens again!
 

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Knock on effect from this continued this morning.

The 0830hrs from Sunderland to Kings Cross was cancelled (actually starting from Doncaster at 1033hrs according to the GC twitter feed).

Passengers 'up north' being put onto VTEC services to Kings Cross.

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Not neccessarily, may have wanted confirmation of what to do with passengers (may have no agreement with GN) or what to do with the 180 (Bounds Green or OOC). Probably worth reviewing procedures before it happens again!

My assumption was based on the comment that XC and NR were "struggling to get hold of whoever was on call"! :oops:
 

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Just out of idle curiosity, what happens to the train crew (guard, buffet staff, driver etc) when this sort of thing happens.

Do they all stay with the train (and end up at a repair depot?) or does the driver only stay with the train? Do the buffet staff try to get home on alternative services or do they get 'put up' overnight somewhere?

Thinking about it, the crew maybe needed once the train becomes servicable but if that involves an overnight 'stay' somewhere, would they have spare clothes etc with them?

I am just curious that all.

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Control is done by a different TOC, often treated as a second priority and is (I think) half a full-time "head" every day.

On their line of route there is only one other TOC who can provide ticket acceptance, at cost and only usually on specific trains nominated by the TOC. Customers may be waiting for an hour or two for that train.

Alternative services rarely go to Sunderland themselves so taxis and buses are usually required from Darlington/Newcastle etc

The 180s are absolutely dreadful trains, especially from a reliability perspective.

GC competes on price and so the customer base is heavily skewed towards students, day trippers and the like (clueless passengers in disruption who often need a metaphorical hand holding).

The staff base is very small which can put rosters up the creek when there is severe disruption.

Some customers still think GC is some family run outfit and therefore have unreasonable expectations about what can be delivered.
 

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Control is done by a different TOC, often treated as a second priority and is (I think) half a full-time "head" every day.

On their line of route there is only one other TOC who can provide ticket acceptance, at cost and only usually on specific trains nominated by the TOC. Customers may be waiting for an hour or two for that train.

Alternative services rarely go to Sunderland themselves so taxis and buses are usually required from Darlington/Newcastle etc

The 180s are absolutely dreadful trains, especially from a reliability perspective.

GC competes on price and so the customer base is heavily skewed towards students, day trippers and the like (clueless passengers in disruption who often need a metaphorical hand holding).

The staff base is very small which can put rosters up the creek when there is severe disruption.

Some customers still think GC is some family run outfit and therefore have unreasonable expectations about what can be delivered.

Unreasonable expectations as in they think less can be delivered or they think more should be delivered then they would with other companies?
 

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Unreasonable expectations as in they think less can be delivered or they think more should be delivered then they would with other companies?

Unreasonable as in "it's a small company, I expect them to move heaven and earth".

Some people don't expect GC to come across the same (or worse) logistical barriers than large franchised operators.
 
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