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159020 On A GWR Service?

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159020 As It Appears Was On Todays GWR Service From Warminster - Portsmouth Harbour And I Am Baffled As To Why This Is, Since It Is A SWR Unit On A GWR Express Train And A Different Class (159 Instead Of 158). Surely The Guard Would Not Be Certified To Do The Doors Etc... On A 159 As It Would Be Trained On A 158, And Who Would Have Driven It! If You Could Tell Me That Would Be Apreciated. http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/V53128/2018/12/27/advanced
 
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I believe selected GWR crews sign SWR 159s. One used to be on daily hire to GWR and was usually used on the Warminster - Great Malvern - Brighton - Bristol diagram. SWR too have engineering work at the moment so likely have a few spare 158s/159s.
 

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The hire arrangement has been modified during the current Westbury blockade to provide a 3-car 159 vice 2-car 158 (which is about to come to a permanent end anyways.) This enables an hourly service to be provided Warminster-Portsmouth without putting undue strain on stabling units at Fratton.
 

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I believe selected GWR crews sign SWR 159s. One used to be on daily hire to GWR and was usually used on the Warminster - Great Malvern - Brighton - Bristol diagram. SWR too have engineering work at the moment so likely have a few spare 158s/159s.

At GWR if you sign 158s, you also sign 159s.
 

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At GWR if you sign 158s, you also sign 159s.

At SWR, the guards training is done as one for their diesel units, it’s not 2 different courses. There’s not much difference in the general controls other than an SDO button for the guards and I believe an extra braking step for the drivers.
 

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At SWR, the guards training is done as one for their diesel units, it’s not 2 different courses. There’s not much difference in the general controls other than an SDO button for the guards and I believe an extra braking step for the drivers.

Unsure about the braking step (I've not had the pleasure yet!) but GWR guards don't touch the SDO when working 159s
 

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Unsure about the braking step (I've not had the pleasure yet!) but GWR guards don't touch the SDO when working 159s

I should have added to the above saying the instruction is not to touch it. That said I’m sure it would be useful if all GWR trains had SDO!
 

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159s used to be a separate entry on the traction card, and are on mine although now you can drive them with just 158s on there. There used to be some differences such as the 159s didn't have remote supply installed until later on and some minor things such as the location of switches (eg the remote supply on a GWR 158 unit is inside the cab, on a SWR unit it is in the cupboard in the vestibule behind the cab, and the doors behind the lead cab are unavailable to passengers when the driving desk is keyed in as well as the cabless middle vehicles, 158798 excepted later on.) There are no significant differences between them so GWR staff who signed 158s were given a paper brief detailing the slight differences. On reading this you were deemed competent to work 159s as well as 158s.

I like driving the hired in 159/0s with the 400hp engines. You have to shut off power at places that you wouldn't have to with the usual GWR 350hp 158s to prevent speeding.
 
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Exactly as stated above. They drive the same (usually a lot better acceleration) and it was just a paper brief with the minor minor differences. It shows separate on my license also but obtained the same time as I qualified 158s
 

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Ironically there was a GWR 158 parked up at Fratton yesterday when I went past the depot about 11am, so they can’t have been that short of units.

I’d assume it’s a Westbury crew who taxi to and from Salisbury to pick up/drop off the unit.
 

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Informed that it’s 159007 today.

Portsmouth Departures
0923
1323
1723
2123

Warminster Departures
1110
1510
1910
2312
 
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