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Inspired by 4SRKT's blog from last year, thought I'd do the same.

2012 Blog

07/01/2012 – Northern Bash

First bash of the New Year was planned back in December, but due to work commitments it would have to wait until the first Saturday in January. Wanting to get in as full a day as possible, it was decided to get one of the first Northern services out of Newcastle – this being 06.30 to Glasgow Central. Up at half 5, quick cup of tea and shower and out the door by 6 to walk the mile or so to Central (Newcastle, that is). Annoyingly the service is put into platform 6, right at the other end of the station due to it arriving ECS from Heaton with 2x 142s in tow. Nothing waiting in any of the other through platforms, so could have been a bit closer to the entrance. A guy asks if this is the Glasgow train, and I reply that it is. Doors are opened and I set foot on the first train of 2012.

156601 is my steed for the journey as far as Carlisle, where Scotrail take over and return the unit back to its homeland. This is one of the only services which doesn’t call at the MetroCentre. Which is not good for that guy who asked if this was the Glasgow Central train. Shortly after leaving Newcastle I notice him pacing up the train (thinking he is busting for the toilet). However no, he was actually going to Edinburgh and had presumed that the 06.30 to GLC stopped at Waverley. Conductor sorts him out, getting times for trains back to Newcastle from next stop Wylam, and looks as if he’ll only be an hour late at most. He has learnt a valuable lesson – but I bet there are 000s more that don’t check the departure boards and actually see where the train is going to before getting on board.

Next train along the Cumbrian Coast line is about an hour and a half later, so good time for breakfast at one of two Wetherspoons on Botchergate, the Woodrow Wilson. Mr Wilson was a US president and also a character in The Simpsons, and this fine establishment is so named as his mother was born in Carlisle – good bit of pub trivia for you. So I find myself waiting with other early risers – one enjoying two double whiskies at 8 in the morning, another one polishing off a pint of bitter, a group of women who are going to Gretna Green to witness someone renewing their vows, and a chain-smoker who is making a sound that is a cross between a duck and a dog’s squeaky toy. I’m sure you probably see the same assorted alcoholics and vagrants in your local Wetherspoons propping up the bar counter.

Back to the station it is for some further 156 action – this time 448 which was just arrived into bay platform 2. At least this one has proper seats (unlike Scotrail’s), but has a thick layer of dirt caked on every window. The Cumbrian Coast line is a mixed bag – fields for the first leg then some good views over the Irish Sea, followed by stops at small towns until Barrow-in-Furness. Line speeds are excruciatingly slow in parts, and we are held for a late-running northbound service near Parton. This service is one of a handful that goes through to Lancaster, but loadings are relatively light until we reach Millom, where everyone and their mother seems to get on. Millom onwards is a nice stretch, especially when we get closer to Grange and Arnside. Good views across the estuary, and for those who know their avian friends, I spot a group of oystercatchers and shelducks. Alighting about 3 hours after I got on, here I am at Carnforth, and there is enough time to have a pot of tea and biscuit at the Refreshment Rooms – as seen in that awfully delightful film, Brief Encounter. Chin chin. Tea is served the proper way – leaves not bag – and I have a few minutes to have quick gander at the museum and purchase some tat in the ever-present gift shop.

Under the subway to pick up 13.58 as far as Hellifield. 144022 screeches into view, coming off Heysham Port. Again, this is lightly loaded with no-one boarding at the stations in between Carnforth and Hellifield, although a few people get off at Bentham and Clapham. Just me off at Hellifield after the first Pacer trip of the year, a whole 27 mi and 66 ch. Hellifield is one of those stations that shouldn’t be where it is – it looks far too impressive for what is basically a small village. Wikipedia informs me that it was built by the Midland Railway in 1880 and was a busy junction station (strange to think it once had direct services to London and Glasgow, now relegated to an unstaffed halt). Still, the Long Drag café is open and I get a cup of tea and quick bite to eat, just in case the trolley isn’t on the train to Carlisle. 158796 and 153360 on the back form the 15.37 along the S+C. This is due to get into Carlisle at 17.28. The next train to leave Carlisle for Newcastle is… 17.28. So a 0 minute connection at Carlisle, or a wait of over an hour for the next one. Strategically position myself at the first table at the front of the 158, knowing that the Newcastle train leaves from the platform next to ours at Carlisle. Light is fading fast as we go across Ribblehead Viaduct, with a few hardy walkers still out and others waiting to go back south at Dent. Running a few minutes late by this point, so no chance of the 0 connection so far.

We get past Armathwaite, and with the darkness I can’t make out much until I see the M6 come into view. Might just make this. Train lumbers its way across the Tyne Valley tracks and into the platform – 7 early. Talk about padding. I wonder how many people are put off from doing a day trip to stations on the S+C due to poor connection times in the timetables at Carlisle? 142087 is waiting to carry me home. Heaters on full blast is a welcome change from the 158, where the heating must have given up the ghost. Guard is good – advising people to buy the Northern Evening return instead of a single to save money. Birthday party gets on at Corbridge, going down to Wylam for a few jars no doubt. Slowly creep round the bend onto the King Edward Bridge – where I spot the theatre indicator showing 6 – so my day ends with another walk back to the entrance from the same platform where I’d left from that morning.

All in all, a good day out and some new stations visited. Also got in a part of the Northern network I still require (Barrow - Carnforth), although I'll have to revisit to get in Lancaster - Preston.
 
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Wish i could do days like this.... can i ask what tickets you bought to make it not expensive?
 

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Ah i see that makes a lot more sense :) id do same if i had one. Nice trip, 4 lines i have never done and all i really want to. Only got as far as ribblehead (hence my picture << ) before.
 

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Ah i see that makes a lot more sense :) id do same if i had one. Nice trip, 4 lines i have never done and all i really want to. Only got as far as ribblehead (hence my picture << ) before.

Good way to keep costs down but if I want to get south to Yorkshire I'd have to pay between Darlington and York (which isn't that much anyway). Plan for this year is to hopefully complete all of Northern's routes.
 

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Good way to keep costs down but if I want to get south to Yorkshire I'd have to pay between Darlington and York (which isn't that much anyway). Plan for this year is to hopefully complete all of Northern's routes.

Could you not go to carlisle then go down the S&C :) if you were to not want to pay between them obviouly. How much of northern network you got left?
 

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Could you not go to carlisle then go down the S&C :) if you were to not want to pay between them obviouly. How much of northern network you got left?

Aye, just takes about 3x longer!

Not much more of the Northern network left to do, but mainly some of the lines around Liverpool, Manchester and Lincolnshire. If I spend a couple of days in Manchester I could get most of them done easly (like Buxton and Stoke), but couple will be harder (Stockport - Guide Bridge, Clitheroe - Hellifield, Ellesmere Port line).
 

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Will read later on: at work at the mo.



you wil enjoy as I did. Thanks 142094. Looking forward 4SRKT to your next report whether on here or another blog site as again always a good read.

Just a cupple of things.first that NCL - GLC is often poorly advertised and it really does cause probs for the average punter who is unaware of its meyander through the English and Scottish countryside. Also can only 2nd your point about the Scotrail seating. Finally the last cupple of S and C trips iv done the guard has announced on departure from the final station call the connections that should be made at CAR and the service you were on I believe has nothing booked in front of it much of the way.

 

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Very good day out! Surprised you haven't done Barrow > Carnforth before now though. A word of warning to Pacer veg everywhere; this morning a friend of mine got 158859 on the Heysham, which would certainly have been a disappointment. Luckily this is rare, and is hopefully not a sign of things to come.

I haven't been on the Cumbrian Coast for years, but it used to be a regular when I visited and volunteered at the R&ER frequently. The fact that I've only ever done it in a 108 should give some idea of how long ago that was! I'd love to give it a go again though (both the Coast line and the R&ER).
 

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Very good day out! Surprised you haven't done Barrow > Carnforth before now though. A word of warning to Pacer veg everywhere; this morning a friend of mine got 158859 on the Heysham, which would certainly have been a disappointment. Luckily this is rare, and is hopefully not a sign of things to come.

I haven't been on the Cumbrian Coast for years, but it used to be a regular when I visited and volunteered at the R&ER frequently. The fact that I've only ever done it in a 108 should give some idea of how long ago that was! I'd love to give it a go again though (both the Coast line and the R&ER).



did them both last year in a day on I think the hottest September day for X years - 22c at the top of the R and Er
then just for the hej of it went Ravenglass>Barrow>Lancaster and back up the WCML to where we were staying in Carlisle on a very cheep FC AP! As you can probs gvess we gave the drinks trolley on the pendo a real hammering!

That 158 had clearly lost its way. Can only assume it workf, quite possibly at short notice, from leeds and then back at some point as dont think crews in that part of the world sign them?
 

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Just a cupple of things.first that NCL - GLC is often poorly advertised and it really does cause probs for the average punter who is unaware of its meyander through the English and Scottish countryside.

Aye, it should really be advertised as a service to Carlisle (much like Leeds - York via Harrogate is advertised as going to Burley Park).

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Finally the last cupple of S and C trips iv done the guard has announced on departure from the final station call the connections that should be made at CAR and the service you were on I believe has nothing booked in front of it much of the way.

I was hoping for the padding between Armathwaite and Carlisle, but last few times I've been on the S+C it has been delayed. Thankfully not this time, as it would have been another hour to wait (no doubt would have went back to Wetherspoons to see who was still around!).

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Very good day out! Surprised you haven't done Barrow > Carnforth before now though. A word of warning to Pacer veg everywhere; this morning a friend of mine got 158859 on the Heysham, which would certainly have been a disappointment. Luckily this is rare, and is hopefully not a sign of things to come.

Did Barrow to Lancaster on a 185 (yes I know), so wanted to get some alternative traction. My aim is to get every bit of the Northern network in while I can with the free pass. Bit tricky when you think of all the lines that run only for a few trains per day (or even one day per week). So I'll have to get back over and get Lancaster - Preston and also Heysham Port done. Some of the lines east of Doncaster will also be tricky to do in one day (plus doesn't help that Barton on Humber to Cleethorpes is isolated from the rest of the Northern network during the week.

I would have been a bit peed to see that 158 as well!
 

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Ah, the good old 06:30 Newcastle to Glasgow Central. I remember it well from when I used to use it regularly when spending the day in Carlisle, although a few years ago it used to be 06:35 on a Saturday, and 06:54 on a weekday IIRC. I would imagine that confusion between it and the faster services up the East Coast through Edinburgh would be quite common, especially when I used to use it as I'm sure I remember a GNER service to Glasgow starting from Newcastle that departed at about the same time; probably 06:30. I'll have to dig out the old photos to check. I never witnessed anybody making that faux pas though.

The Woodrow Wilson is the better of the two Wetherspoons in Carlisle, although I'm sure you already knew that. Especially given that there's barely fifty yards between the two of them: I can't fathom out how they get away with having such a high density of outlets, but it obviously works for them. Also, they serve booze in the Carlisle one at 8am? :shock: I thought that they were only licensed to sell alcohol from 9am at the earliest at any of their outlets. I always knew they were made of sterner stuff back up north than this namby pamby 9am malarkey that we've got down here in Birmingham! :) Although the Wetherspoons outside of Queen Street station in Glasgow goes against the grain somewhat, you can only buy alcohol after 11am, even if you're having a breakfast!

Oh dear, I think I'm starting to sound like one of those vagrants propping up the bar in Wetherspoons...:lol: Anyway, that is a very interesting little bit of pub trivia about the name of the place there. I only very rarely know the origin of the names of the Wetherspoons pubs, which quite often conceal some sort of local significance.

Cracking tale and what sounds like a very pleasant day out, 142094.
 
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I'm sure the Woodrow Wilso opens at 7 - not sure if they serve alcohol at this time but even 8 is too early for me.
 

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Does anyone know if the 15:12 Carlisle > Barrow is a 142 or a 156?
 

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Does anyone know if the 15:12 Carlisle > Barrow is a 142 or a156?



not many pacers out of CAR these days, mostly just Tyne stuff. When Iv used that working its been a 156 (with high backed seating :))
or a single 153. does that one start at CAR? I cant remember. You wouldnt by any chance be plotting a positioning move for the DRS 37s by any chance?

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aha! Just seen your post in the DRS thread. You wil im sure enjoy and may stil be able to claim the title of the first forum member to bash it! Trip report awated with great anticipation!
 

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I'd hazard a guess at it being a 156, but I've no idea. Just read 142094's first blog entry and found it to be quite an interesting read. Looking forward to the future entries :D
 

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agreed and may I just thank yourself for the many youve done lately. Havent been able to respond to them all but great reads!
 

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I would guess that was aimed at me, if so then you're most welcome. They get posted to make for an interesting read so glad to hear they're doing just that. Not got one coming up yet for another couple of weeks, overloaded with work so no time for bashing!
 

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Cheers for the replies, I'll try and get some more up as and when. 4SRKT - only 15xs on Cumbrian Coast unfortunately.
 

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I'm sure the Woodrow Wilso opens at 7 - not sure if they serve alcohol at this time but even 8 is too early for me.
Yeah the vast majority of Spoons open at 7, no booze until 9 though which is generally too early for me too! :) Though not always...

Certainly not many 142s on the Cumbrian Coast at any point in the recent past: I remember the Whitehaven service that used to run through from Newcastle and, I think, Sunderland used to be a 142 sometimes, and during the summer there used to be a 142 (Usually a Merseytravel one!) that came all the way up from Lancaster via the Cumbrian Coast and would layover at Carlisle at about lunchtime on a Saturday before going back that way again. When I was a kid I'm sure I remember seeing more 142s, in the GMPTE dark grey/red/white livery, on Cumbrian Coast services. All 156s and 153s now though.
 
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remember that pacer worked Lancaster, think it ended around 04/5? Know I bashed it once with a now sadly departed school friend who was a bus enthusiast but had never been on a pacer! To say it was hellfire was an understatement!
 

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Wasn't it a 142 that had an engine fall onto the track along the Cumbrian Coast? A 142 would certainly be a good ride all the way along if there were running. Not sure if Barrow or Worington drivers sign them anymore.
 

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Wasn't it a 142 that had an engine fall onto the track along the Cumbrian Coast?
It was indeed. For some reason I can remember the photo that the Railway Magazine published for the article at the time (1994/5?), showing the engine block sitting obstinately in the four foot!

I'm quite happy getting all nostalgic about travelling on Pacers, but I don't think I can bear the thought of travelling all the way from Carlisle to Lancaster round the Cumbrian Coast on a Merseyrail 142!
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remember that pacer worked Lancaster, think it ended around 04/5?
Yeah I think you're correct, it was about 2005 that it finished IIRC. I remember there were First North Western 142s running straight up the West Coast through Carlisle from Newton Heath to Kilmarnock for interior refreshes or something around the same time.
 

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yes and some of these had high back seats installed. This was commissioned by FNW But completed under northern.
Agree bus seats maybe a bit much on that run but if it were going today a boozy forum meet would have been a must!
 

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yes and some of these had high back seats installed. This was commissioned by FNW But completed under northern.
Agree bus seats maybe a bit much on that run but if it were going today a boozy forum meet would have been a must!

It won't have been high backed seating if it was First North Western.

Arriva Trains Northern is more likely. I am sure I remember them Pacers on the Settle & Carlisle occasionally.
 

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It won't have been high backed seating if it was First North Western.

Arriva Trains Northern is more likely. I am sure I remember them Pacers on the Settle & Carlisle occasionally.
I was thinking that: I couldn't work out at the time what work was being done to the FNW 142s at Kilmarnock, they seemed to come back in the same condition as they went up there, and of course most/all of the ex-FNW 142s still retain the original bus seating.

The S&C has seen quite a mixed bag of rolling stock over the years. As well as North East 142s, 144s have been used on the route in the past.
 

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I was thinking that: I couldn't work out at the time what work was being done to the FNW 142s at Kilmarnock, they seemed to come back in the same condition as they went up there, and of course most/all of the ex-FNW 142s still retain the original bus seating.

The S&C has seen quite a mixed bag of rolling stock over the years. As well as North East 142s, 144s have been used on the route in the past.

The S&C does well with Northern 158s nowadays - it's sister the Little North Western across to Morecambe/Heysham Port is generally stuck with 142s/144s/150s.

All the ex-FNW 142s retain bus seating to my knowledge. Northern has only recently changed the seat covers.
 

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my bad and yes you are correct. I got confuddled as quite a few0pacers had work done round then. Thankyou gentlemen
 
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