14:30 Liverpool Street - Norwich today

[essex_commuter]

I see from the GA twitter feed this was service was today formed of 2 coaches. Is this correct or a typo? If true, it can't be very often that a (I guess) 156 makes it down to Liverpool Street!

 

[96tommy]

I thought I heard what sounded like a 170 go past my flat in Bethnal Green at a similar time. Could it be that?

 

[TEW]

Reported to be formed of 170272.

 

[delt1c]

remember back in the late 90's there was a 150 diagram leaving Liverpool St around 05.30. Used iot once and have to say was impressed by the way it climbed Bethnal Green Bank

 

[TheEdge]

170272 stood in, believe it only did the one trip

 

[Mordac]

170272 stood in, believe it only did the one trip

Was it helicoptered in then?

 

[Quakkerillo]

Was it helicoptered in then?

The one trip in and out of Liverpool Street, surely.

 

[F Great Eastern]

Was a 90 set not available?

In the past I've known Norwich to Liverpool Street to be run by an EMU, but quite some time for a DMU, especially so small.

Love to know how busy it was.

 

[TheEdge]

Was a 90 set not available?

In the past I've known Norwich to Liverpool Street to be run by an EMU, but quite some time for a DMU, especially so small.

Love to know how busy it was.

Obviously not set was available, even then this is a rare thing. No Norwich crews sign any EMUs so if, as it was, a failure at Norwich and there is no set then a 170 is the next "best" thing. Not sure if they knocked some stops out of it, that can happen when 170s get used.

 

[Sleepy]

No stops removed - hear people left behind / declined to board at Stratford unsurprisingly !!

 

[dk1]

No stops removed (not sure why) & a last minute thing to save a cancellation. Been several LHCS problems today & no alternative except total cancellation but this obviously does throw up other operational issues. The noon express from Norwich was FAS before Ipswich which didn't bode well for the return run.

 

[F Great Eastern]

Obviously not set was available, even then this is a rare thing. No Norwich crews sign any EMUs so if, as it was, a failure at Norwich and there is no set then a 170 is the next "best" thing. Not sure if they knocked some stops out of it, that can happen when 170s get used.

To be fair it's going back a long while, but I remember EMU's making it to Norwich in the later days of NXEA, but I guess they were worked by non Norwich crews.

 

[dk1]

To be fair it's going back a long while, but I remember EMU's making it to Norwich in the later days of NXEA, but I guess they were worked by non Norwich crews.

That's why pre-planned they are booked for the diagram starting 06:25 ex-Lst as fit perfectly with London/Ipswich drivers. Ilford/Colchester/Clacton don't route sign Norwich & Norwich drivers don't sign EMUs.

 

[iphone76]

It was so busy it was still at Stratford boarding/trying to close doors when the 1440 Tfl Rail Liverpool Street to Shenfield got to Stratford. It held up the 1435 to Southend and 1438 to Colchester Town as we passed them on the approach to Stratford.

Lots of people arguing with station staff at Stratford and much whistle blowing trying to get people clear of the doors. Reminded me of a scene a few years ago at Liverpool Street when they didn't strengthen trains to 12 cars at lunchtime on Christmas eve when it fell on a weekday.

 

[F Great Eastern]

Wasn't uncommon for this kind of delay to happen as described above when they ran 2 car DMUs from London to Lowestoft during the NXEA days, the last train before peak was booked as a 3 car but often would be a 2.

I guess Norwich drivers will have to sign EMUs soon since they won't have an alternative of a 170 after the new stock arrives?

 

[dk1]

Wasn't uncommon for this kind of delay to happen as described above when they ran 2 car DMUs from London to Lowestoft during the NXEA days, the last train before peak was booked as a 3 car but often would be a 2.

I guess Norwich drivers will have to sign EMUs soon since they won't have an alternative of a 170 after the new stock arrives?

I would imagine 745/755 only. Can't see us all being trained on 720s which will probably be only South/Central drivers.

 

[F Great Eastern]

Sorry, two brain fades in two days, I'm losing it here

I was just thinking that some crews ideally would be trained on the 720s to fill in for the Norwich Flirts if need-be since we're only getting 10 Norwich Flirts and if a couple of them go tech at any one time we're going to have to substitute something in, which is not beyond the realms pf possibility for a new fleet and being the first of their type in the UK.

Or will they send the local FLIRTS instead?

 

[sprinterguy]

I was assuming that, having full electric capability anyway and being maintained at the same locations as the express sets, the local FLIRTs would step into the breach as required.

 

[Kite159]

I'm surprised the inbound working didn't get terminated at Ipswich/Colchester with passengers transferred onward on an EMU, with the reverse at Liverpool Street with the 14:30 running as far as Ipswich with any Norwich passengers transferring to the 170.

 

[dk1]

Sorry, two brain fades in two days, I'm losing it here

I was just thinking that some crews ideally would be trained on the 720s to fill in for the Norwich Flirts if need-be since we're only getting 10 Norwich Flirts and if a couple of them go tech at any one time we're going to have to substitute something in, which is not beyond the realms pf possibility for a new fleet and being the first of their type in the UK.

Or will they send the local FLIRTS instead?

Possibly the latter & all depends on what is agreed with the unions. You can't just select who you do & don't train on particular traction. That was the whole reason 90s where never employed earlier on the GEML as BR only wanted a selection of them trained as too tight/poor to pay for it.

 

[dp21]

Possibly the latter & all depends on what is agreed with the unions. You can't just select who you do & don't train on particular traction. That was the whole reason 90s where never employed earlier on the GEML as BR only wanted a selection of them trained as too tight/poor to pay for it.

I know we're somewhat straying into the territory of another thread about the new fleet but are you guys all aware that the plan is to run every 3rd service or so to Norwich as a 720? So I think the Norwich mainline drivers will most likely be trained on the 720s unless there's some other arrangement but I'm not familiar with what the specifics of driver diagrams will be.

 

[dk1]

I know we're somewhat straying into the territory of another thread about the new fleet but are you guys all aware that the plan is to run every 3rd service or so to Norwich as a 720? So I think the Norwich mainline drivers will most likely be trained on the 720s unless there's some other arrangement but I'm not familiar with what the specifics of driver diagrams will be.

Yes aware that the stopper is being extended to Norwich but still doubt we will train on them. Not really needed if Ipswich/Liverpool St get trained on them & if it's permitted for Colchester crews to sign Haughley-Norwich. So much still to be agreed/confirmed.

 

[dk1]

It's no different to the situation at Ipswich for the last decade or more. Class 360s arrive hourly with extras in the peak but no Ipswich/Liverpool St or any ex-Anglia drivers sign them.

 

[dp21]

It's no different to the situation at Ipswich for the last decade or more. Class 360s arrive hourly with extras in the peak but no Ipswich/Liverpool St or any ex-Anglia drivers sign them.

Ah ok, I was not aware! It'll be interesting to see what's agreed.