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Thanks lowlevel, that’s useful to know. I’ll let you know how it goes.

Thank you 6Gman, I can understand your confusion. I hope my post above clarifies why we were both carrying tickets for different classes. We intentionally entered first class but did not intentionally expect to stay there without permission. If there was no guard onboard to ask, we absolutely...

My mum has worked for the railways for 36 years and so is permitted to travel first class on all train operators for free. So she didn’t buy a ticket, just me. When I was younger, this was always how she used to ask and we have never been refused. We would enter in first class and then speak to...

Thanks Sky high. I won’t put that in my letter. And yes, I really don’t mean to come across badly.

Yeah, I guess, something like that. But with unknowingly thrown in. Is that bad? It’s the truth. Are you sure you can’t send me details of those cases you mentioned? I acknowledge you’ve already given a lot of your time to this but if you were able to, I’d really appreciate it. Thanks for...

Which previous cases najaB? Have you got the details please? And even if it is a third, that still makes it statistically significantly less likely.

Thank you bb21. Thanks to the help of the forum, I absolutely think I have unknowingly fallen foul of the law on this case, and due to the unintentionality and brievity of me being in the wrong, I think it is a shame for me to have been charged. And furthermore now, my lack of understanding of...

Absolutely, and I will be polite, honest and prompt. I hoped when I said would write back in post 12 , there would’ve been no reason to think otherwise.

I did write in post number 12 that I would write back to them with an honest letter. I’m not a dishonest, avoidant person. I didn’t dismiss it, but I did call it inaccurate and I still think it is, based on a likelihood argument.

Thanks all for advice, the links to the docs are very informative. I absolutely have no intention of ignoring any notices and will respond as already indicated by my previous post, with a conscise and honest letter. I do think probability is an important concept to hold onto in this case, and...

I very much welcome advice and I’m thankful for all the opinions, even the ones I am challenging. I just find the comments by Yorkie and bletchleyite scaremongering and exaggerated, and so I’m saying so. I’m not trying to waste peoples’ time, and nor do I think “I know better” but I’m trying to...

1. You are accusing me of making a criminal offence. 2. You are suggesting it is likely I will go to court. Both of these are inaccurate and for others on here looking for well informed advice, quite unhelpful. I am not being arrogant, I’m sorry you’re experience me as that. I am simply...

Oh dear. I find this all really quite sad, and I’m somewhat embarrassed for you. I have not committed a criminal offence i suggest you look up the difference between civil and criminal offences and stop offering the wrong advice to people.

Thanks so much bb21. Your advice is super helpful :)

Ha ha ha ha!! I might not know exactly what a MG11 is but I know what you’ve written above is TOTAL nonsense and ill-informed. I feel sorry for those people that come on here for advice and receive comments like the above, and who might not have support networks like I do - you’re...

Ah ok, I will do my best to put my story across and appeal their good nature as it seems legally, there’s no wiggle room. I’ll also get saving! Thanks for your advice.

Thanks for your comments Hadders and najaB - kicking myself now :S Bb21 your reflections are very helpful. The order of events were as follows: My mum and I boarded the train at St Albans and went into a first class carriage. In autopilot, I sat down for a couple of seconds and then sprung up...

Thanks najab. I guess my fear was if I paid the penalty fare, my chances of recovering the money was very unlikely and I stood a better chance of not losing money if I contested the penalty fare. I don’t think I fully understand exactly what a MG11 is and it’s implications - have I made things...

Thanks for your comments Failed Unit. I believe 1st class at rear of the train was declassified but we boarded a 1st class carriage at the front which the inspector said was not declassified. I’m not sure we can argue it was unclear as we acknowledged it was first class and that I didn’t have...

Hi all, I appreciate this topic has been discussed before and I’ve found reading the replies really helpful. My case is slightly different circumstantially in that I only sat down in a first class seat for a couple of seconds without a valid first class ticket and so I wondered if this held any...