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First of all - sorry if this is in the wrong forum. I thought this might be better than in Fares Advice & Policies as I'd already purchased the tickets and now chasing a refund. I live in a small town very poorly served by train services, but had driven to a nearby station yesterday to catch a...

You might want to consider what you’ve just posted. Not only is what you have posted highly offensive to the families of the victims, but also legally questionable. Are you really suggesting we close off ALL football matches for two years, causing millions of well-behaved and innocent fans to...

My apologies. I assumed that posting in a thread about football fans, in response to a post talking about football fans, meant you were commenting on football fans. How silly of me.

Except it isn't, is it? I've traveled on dozens of trains back from the football and on every single one my experience has been people sat in their seats and not singing. Maybe a little bit of chatter that is slightly louder than normal, but certainly not sweary or intimidating others. In...

Are there any diagrams for this Sunday at all please? I'm taking a rare trip on the Thameslink line and wouldn't mind slightly adjusting my timings to get a chance to travel on the 700s.

Yes, and the kid now also thinks that violence is the right way to solve a problem. If that kid now starts assaulting people that don't do what he wants, will you blame the old man for teaching him that lesson? You may think it's yob culture, but this sort of thing is what creates it.

Could you please link me to where it was shown that these two children had their shoes covered in dog poo? I can't see it.

To be honest, if you get so traumatised and upset from someone having their feet up on a seat (or even just find it so disgusting), I'm not sure public transport is for you. Go and invest in a car, where you can get around safe in the knowledge that you don't have to interact with the general...

By the same logic, I assume if you ever do anything mildly irritating - because, let's be honest, that's all it is to put your feet up on a train - you wouldn't complain if someone bigger and stronger than you physically assaults you? It's a very worrying precedent, I'm sure you'll agree...

If children expected to be physically assaulted for doing something minor (and not posing a threat to others) back then, I'm frankly glad that our society ended up moving out of the dark ages and became civilised.

"Yob culture"? I've lived in some rough areas, and some not-so-rough areas, and I've never really experienced anything like that. Maybe a few kids hanging around, maybe a bit of graffiti, but certainly nothing like you suggest. The hyperbole and nonsense you come out with, you'd have thought...

Reading your posts - where you keep congratulating this old man for his physical assault and say that many others would want to do the same - and calling two kids yobs for daring to put their feet up, I'm very worried. Following it through to a logical conclusion would suggest you support mob...

They were youths, so some members on here would have thought them to be scum, and would have advocated assaulting them going off previous threads in here :roll:

Of course, many newsagents and convenience stores in London already do Oyster top-ups in store, which seems to work very well. Additionally I understand many PayPoint (or, if not them, one of their competitors) are set up to deal with Oysters - and I see no reason why that couldn't be extended...

Two problems with that; If you were to forcibly move someone's feet, would it not be a good idea to start with...their feet? Not by forcing their arms behind them and TWISTING IT TO DELIBERATELY CAUSE PAIN. A police officer is trained specifically to use appropriate force, and is legally...

You did, when you advocated the old man putting the kids in an arm lock. By definition, that's harming them. You don't even have to consider the second part, where the arm was twisted backwards specifically to cause harm. Do you chase after speeders on the roads and assault them to dish out...

I'm by no means an expert - but I wouldn't be surprised if they took something crazy like that as the crush loading conditions. It's a common occurrence in engineering to go a little over-the-top in extreme cases to give it a bit of built-in redundancy. If they planned for 4/sqm, and that...

Yes, attacked. I'm not quite sure what else you could call it when you're forced into an arm lock? So you don't think that putting a child in an arm lock, then twisting the arm backwards specifically to cause pain, isn't physical violence? :roll: The alternative idea is simply to let it go. If...

Yep, a £50 on ONE TOC. Others generally don't care about it or ignore it. It's not a massive issue really, is it? Certainly not one that warrants being physically assaulted or sent to court!

Their parents should be taken to court...because their kids had their feet up? How many more court cases are we going to have to see every year if this is now the response? :roll: Overreactions galore on this thread, I wonder whether it was these sort of over-the-top attitudes that led to the...