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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    Well, I have learned one thing, your Rule Book refers to MCB (Manned crossing with barriers) and OD (Barrier crossing with obstacle detection). It doesn't refer to MCB -OD. That's cleared that one up!
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    Carriageline, I really am not very good at explaining myself am I. Currently, anyone standing on the highway is protected from passing trains by a heavy duty gate. I merely said if you were a young mum with a baby in a buggy, would you prefer to be protected by a set of gates or face the...
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    Yabbadabba, thank you. So an MCB-OD crossing isn't really manually controlled. Philip Phlopp, that makes perfect sense but nonetheless bizarre!
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    Philip Phlopp, Signal T645 needs to be moved by a couple of metres. That means, the platform will be a couple of metres shorter, which in turn means slightly less than 7 and half carriages will be on the platform as oppose to the full 7 and half carriages at the moment (12 carriage trains stop...
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    OxtedL, I am rapidly learning that the Railway is extremely complicated! I still think Network Rail are being disingenuous by saying the crossing is manually operated. Surely a Manually Operated crossing is one where a signaller lowers the barriers him/herself when they are assured the...
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    Yabbadabba, I take your point. However a quick 'Google' shows that 'Stowmarket Control' appears to be used quite widely on the Network. I guess therefore the Standard needs to catch up with the actuality, otherwise what is the point of a Standard?
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    Yabbadabba I never said anything of the sort! My point was, if there is a Standard that says where a signal shall be located, why is it acceptable to deviate from that Standard? A Standard is a Standard is it not? Or maybe the Standard needs re-writing? Can you help me out on this MCB (OD)...
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    Some people posting on here clearly think the Railway has a God given right to do what it likes, others are far more reasonable. Do you not think it is incumbent on Network Rail to present an entirely accurate, honest, even handed and best possibile case? It has now occurred to me that the...
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    Tomnick, you provide some very well explained answers. As an outsider though, I find a lot of what appear to be innacuracies in some of the information put forward by Network Rail. I stumbled across the application for a deviation from the standard and even that seems to include factually...
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    DarloRich, surely if you have to wait until the next Ice Age for product testing, acceptance etc, the Railway must be at a standstill re progress? OxtedL, I thought it had been established in an earlier post that there will be some circumstances due to failure where it will be possible for a...
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    DarloRich, are you now suggesting it is the railway that is stuck in a time warp?
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    I have learned some facts that could make useful headlines for the 'anti brigade' e.g 'Trains can pass through crossing with barriers raised', "Network Rail has non standard signal protecting crossing', 'Passengers can alight while train held at signal' etc. None of these statements would be...
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    In my 'Black and White' world I find it odd that a deviation from a prescribed standard can be portrayed as a benefit? Yabbadabba, in the London bound direction, the new signal is approximately 150 metres (my estimate) before the platform. Should I be worried about a train being held there and...
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    Merely inquisitive - I am an engineer and like to understand things. I have worked out that the protecting signal cannot be located in the correct place (well it can, but NR can save circa £400k by not doing so) and therefore NR have sought a deviation from the relevant standard. The bit that...
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    scotsman, yes, I see the Railway has a huge amount of Standards and understandably so. However, I asked what a deviation from a Group Standard means?
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    Llanigraham, yes I may be dim, so can you explain what a deviation from a Railway Group Standard means please?
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    But trains do go through red lights, don't they? Is this 'Stowmarket Control' compliant with Standards?
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    Yabbadabba, you seem to be the voice of reason. In answer to your question, I want the right solution, based on fact and that also follows due process. If someone makes an overwhelming argument that a gated crossing is impossible (not necessarily a like for like replacement) and that barriers...
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    Thanks Yabbadabba. Why not just put the signal at a greater distance from the crossing and thus ensure barriers are lowered before the train arrives? That must be the safest option?
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    Plumpton Level Crossing wheel-operated gates to be retained

    Could someone explain in simple terms what Stowmarket Controls mean please?

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